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Pas26
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 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: What is the timing window in RB2? (in ms) |
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? I've heard that it was 100, but I'm not sure.
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ThunderShade
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, then about 64ms. Don't know whether it should be positive or negative as I don't use callibration, but I'm sure it would be obvious wth some trial and error. |
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Pas26
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ThunderShade wrote: | | Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, then about 64ms. Don't know whether it should be positive or negative as I don't use callibration, but I'm sure it would be obvious wth some trial and error. |
I think you understodd correctly since it's pretty close to my own answer (Decided to do it myself since I wasn't getting an answer).
However, I did it assuming the timing window in RB2 was 100ms. Am I rite?
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ThunderShade
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Pas26 wrote: | | ThunderShade wrote: | | Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, then about 64ms. Don't know whether it should be positive or negative as I don't use callibration, but I'm sure it would be obvious wth some trial and error. |
I think you understodd correctly since it's pretty close to my own answer (Decided to do it myself since I wasn't getting an answer).
However, I did it assuming the timing window in RB2 was 100ms. Am I rite? |
IIRC Strike thought it was exactly 100ms or very close so I think so. |
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BlueTornado
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Well, GH2 was found to have a timing window of 100ms and one of the devs said the engine was as tight as GH2 so you're right, it's 100ms. Strike also found that out as well.
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Chil
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: |
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If memory serves, the timing window for guitar is 100-116ms on the frontend and 84-100ms on the backend of a note. That's the theoretical numbers based on inter-frame calculations.
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heety9
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Chil wrote: | | If memory serves, the timing window for guitar is 100-116ms on the frontend and 84-100ms on the backend of a note. That's the theoretical numbers based on inter-frame calculations. |
So wait, do these add up? Do they together make around 200ms? |
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Parmesean97
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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isnt a 100ms window the same as a 1sec window? In which case id have to disagree, with that, either that or i got a defective rock band 2 and am having a lot harder time than most other people haha
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SmugDuckling
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There was a big discussion about this a while back. I think we decided that it was 100ms. There are a bunch of 100's floating around in the game files, and strike changed one of them and changed GH80s' timing window in a custom. I believe that particular file entry is still 100 in rb2.
Although in my optimizer I use 125ms so that I don't accidentally underestimate anything. Better to overshoot optimal than undershoot.
Also, any differences between back and front timing windows are probably due to lag calibration.
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Kawigi
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| SmugDuckling wrote: | There was a big discussion about this a while back. I think we decided that it was 100ms. There are a bunch of 100's floating around in the game files, and strike changed one of them and changed GH80s' timing window in a custom. I believe that particular file entry is still 100 in rb2.
Although in my optimizer I use 125ms so that I don't accidentally underestimate anything. Better to overshoot optimal than undershoot.
Also, any differences between back and front timing windows are probably due to lag calibration. |
The theories about back-end vs front-end timing windows were based on variation that would come from sampling/polling intervals. But regardless, it probably could be calibrated so that the average windows on each side are the same.
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| Kawigi wrote: | | The theories about back-end vs front-end timing windows were based on variation that would come from sampling/polling intervals. But regardless, it probably could be calibrated so that the average windows on each side are the same. |
That's also why Chil wrote the windows as ranges rather than solid numbers. The timing window is not perfectly stable, which is unavoidable.
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guitardan147
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: So.... |
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With this in mind what should I put my lag settings too:
Currently I've got video lag at 0
an audio at -10 - - I'm getting the notes to appear at the strike line when the note is heard in the song. Playing through 1080i
This is a very comfortable setup and I can hit a whole range of sections without having to resort to hitting things early/late to compensate, trips, quads and hopo-coasters feel right like this.
But what I'm saying is, is there an optimal setting to make things be super user-friendly
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Pas26
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: So.... |
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| guitardan147 wrote: | With this in mind what should I put my lag settings too:
Currently I've got video lag at 0
an audio at -10 - - I'm getting the notes to appear at the strike line when the note is heard in the song. Playing through 1080i
This is a very comfortable setup and I can hit a whole range of sections without having to resort to hitting things early/late to compensate, trips, quads and hopo-coasters feel right like this.
But what I'm saying is, is there an optimal setting to make things be super user-friendly |
The ingame calibration is user-friendly, but it won't center the timing window. If you use the IG calibration, you'll be able to hit note a little later than early (The devs probably thought that it would make fretting sections easier, and it does).
Just calibrate with the calibrator 5+ times and take the average.
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bclare
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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I guess I'm weird, because I calibrate intentionally off-center so the front-end is bigger. But frontend vs backend is entirely due to calibration, in theory they should be equal.
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