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Vixenita
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LMAO!
My favorite part of the sabotage video is at the end when you go
"137k.. I think that's enough for gold... YES!" HAHAHAHAHAAH!
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rabies 
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man...I don't know what to think or say. I just watched the sabotage one..and your score destroys anything I have ever done by legitamately trying..
..apparantly a plastic bag and sock are better rappers than I am.. 
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pvtGramps
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Please nobody hit that during the League this week? *sigh*
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Nickisimo
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Watching that made me realize why I can't FC Sabotage. I can't sing as well as a rustling plastic bag over a sock. 
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Sikaris
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Wow... that guy in the WYWY comments totally has to be BSing... he doesn't even know how the leaderboards work  |
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chute
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| Nickisimo wrote: | | Watching that made me realize why I can't FC Sabotage. I can't sing as well as a rustling plastic bag over a sock. |
It's a sad day in a man's life when he realizes he can't sing his way out of a plastic bag.
*rimshot*
J/k nick 
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MACGYVERRRRRRRRR
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NumberCruncher
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I don't really see how this proves that talky parts are fundamentally broken (many of them are, but this isn't proof of it). It seems like, for most talking parts, it's mainly just looking for consonants at the right timing. Chute just found a way to spam it with what it deems consonant sounds, so he's almost guaranteed to hit all the times it wants them (and a ton of extra, but I guess it doesn't penalize him for that).
If anything, this proves that its voiceless fricative consonant detection at least works somewhat well. The real problem is that its vowel detection is bad, so all vowel phrases like the "Ow!" and the Number of the Beast scream become nearly impossible to hit. |
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chute
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| NumberCruncher wrote: | | I don't really see how this proves that talky parts are fundamentally broken |
Before I made this video, I was just barely getting 5 stars. My point is that whatever's wrong with it, I shouldn't be able to get a higher score by rubbing a plastic bag than saying the actual words at approximately the right timing and pitch. When I try to do that I miss at least 5-6 phrases, if not more. With the bag, after about half an hour of practice, I was down to less than 4 misses, consistantly (and those that I missed were strong about half the time)
Also, if you pay close attention the spins don't always sync up with where you think they should. I can mumble this song (very badly) and still get pretty good scores; I don't think it's finding any fricatives there. :P
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Vixenita
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| NumberCruncher wrote: | I don't really see how this proves that talky parts are fundamentally broken (many of them are, but this isn't proof of it). It seems like, for most talking parts, it's mainly just looking for consonants at the right timing. Chute just found a way to spam it with what it deems consonant sounds, so he's almost guaranteed to hit all the times it wants them (and a ton of extra, but I guess it doesn't penalize him for that).
If anything, this proves that its voiceless fricative consonant detection at least works somewhat well. The real problem is that its vowel detection is bad, so all vowel phrases like the "Ow!" and the Number of the Beast scream become nearly impossible to hit. |
Is that a joke?
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shadow6463
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I tried this. Unfortunately my sister walked in. And I didn't have pants on, only boxers. She was visibly shaken.
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NumberCruncher
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| chute wrote: | | My point is that whatever's wrong with it, I shouldn't be able to get a higher score by rubbing a plastic bag than saying the actual words at approximately the right timing and pitch. |
I guess my point is that I see no reason why not. Just think of many of the talky parts as cowbell sections with odd timing, only it's looking for consonants as opposed to any input. Rubbing the bag is would be like just hitting the A button really fast on the tambourine parts - it gives tons of excess input, but is thus virtually guaranteed to input when the game wants it as well. Since there is no penalty for the extraneous input, there's no reason a plastic bage shouldn't do just as well (if not better), than a human at hitting the consonants.
Again, many talky sections are broken, but these videos do nothing to prove that. Demonstrating a method that works extremely easily does not prove that more normal methods are unworkable. That would be like saying riding an escalator proves it's impossible to walk up stairs. Additionally, a world in which escalators did not work would not by extension be on in which walking up stairs would be any easier.
| chute wrote: | | I can mumble this song (very badly) and still get pretty good scores; I don't think it's finding any fricatives there. :P |
A fricative is a type of consonant, so it likely was. Voiceless fricatives (th as in thorn, sh, ch, and f) happen to sound fairly similar to the noises of a rustling plastic bag.
| shadow6463 wrote: | | I tried this. Unfortunately my sister walked in. And I didn't have pants on, only boxers. She was visibly shaken. |
That is an amusing anecdote. |
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chute
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from another thread:
| CaptainDecoy wrote: | | I managed to rub out (can we please call the technique this name?) the first and third |
I hereby declare this technique "Rubbing out a phrase"
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HoboBobulus
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I think the new name syncs up well with Shadow6463's anecdote.  |
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