DLC of 3/29 - Days of Peace and DRAGONFORCE

**GuitarHailz** · Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 4910 Location: Austin, Texas

I'm kinda with Joe on this one... that chart looks ridiculous and not even slightly fun, and the idea of playing it on the Rock Band engine makes it sound even worse. I see what y'all are saying about how it SHOULD be really hard, but its still a video game, and that just looks like a custom thats hard for the sake of being hard. I mean, I'm all about balls-to-the-wall hard songs. I certainly don't think the chart should be dumbed down so that someone like me would be able to pass (and I never had any delusions that I WOULD pass either song). But it's more an issue of fairness. If only the upper tier of players could even PASS the song, then it seems like poor business to release it as regular DLC since I imagine most people who buy it will be raging that they can't pass it.

It is still a game, and the fun-factor should still be the first priority (IMO). And I think that the batshit stuff should be saved for the pro modes and the expert chart should be what is the most fun. I would be happy to sometimes fail a song that has a difficult part that feels fairly charted (it happens to me all the time in GH and some RB songs). But this... just doesn't seem fair.

What I'm curious is how they playtested this at all at HMX. I mean, from what I remember (which isn't much, and I could be totally wrong, so don't quote me on this) but when Alakaiser worked there he was one of their best players. And he's probably somewhere on my level (which is mediocre by ScoreHero standards, but respectable and even downright good to the rest of the world). So who among them was even able to play these songs from start to finish to make sure they were any fun at all or even fair charts? Yeah, I know, there's No Fail, but playtesters having to play with that modifier on should be telling enough...

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**ProffessorJoe** · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject:

**yaniv297** · Joined: 22 Oct 2010 Posts: 56

All this talk about "overcharting" is BS. The truth is, unless someone here just happens to play guitar for Dragonforce, none of us has any idea what he actually plays there and how it should be charted. I don't think anyone here actually understand what's going on with the guitar - it just all soudns like am mess. I play guitar for 6 years and I wouldn't know where to begin the chart. The guys at HMX at least had the seperated guitar stem.

All people complaining about difficulty - why buy Dragonforce in the first place?

Anyway, all this DF talk is overshadowing the other pack we got this week, the Woodstock pack which is totally awesome on pretty much every instrument. Oh, and unlike Dragonforce, it's actually music.

**yakityyakblah** · Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 3985

**fUNC** · Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 3439 Location: Milwaukee

They're now the two toughest songs out of, what, around 2500? What exactly did people expect?
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**diablocon** · Joined: 11 Aug 2007 Posts: 1565 Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Pro charts for TTFAF are now up in the Music Store. Tiers are 6 for guitar (shocker, I know) and 6 for bass (I guess because the Mustang can't really handle all the fast strum bursts).

**DorkmasterFlek** · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 1968 Location: Toronto, ON

**yakityyakblah** · Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 3985

Hailz, you're operating on the assumption that the general public was ever able to pass TTFaF on expert. It's only a song anyone cares about passing to us, to everyone else it's either A) a song they play on a lower difficulty or B) that song they show their friends so they can laugh at how impossible it is.

Considering it's only purpose is to be lawl hard it makes no sense to pull any punches. And really all the "it's like a custom" digs are kind of uncalled for. It's not like they're pulling things out of thin air, they just aren't making any compromises, which is a decision you might not agree with, but it's not amateur quality.

**GuitarHailz** · Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 4910 Location: Austin, Texas

**Finalizer** · Joined: 18 Apr 2007 Posts: 1413

**xboxpro57** · Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 275 Location: Virginia Tech

I have a question for all of you:

Is solo 3 of Operation Ground and Pound overcharted?

I'm not asking for an opinion. I would like to know whether or not the number of notes in the tapping sections is the same as the number of notes "played" in the song.

If it's overcharted, fuck HMX. But what I'm guessing is the case is, they charted it as accurately as possible. Which is probably most "fair," just not really that fun.

EDIT: As for TTFAF, I really don't have a problem with it. I just see it as a new challenge. Nothing seems too OMG ridiculous. It's more just like, "wow, that looks really fucking tough." OGAP is a completely different story, and is what our discussion should really focus on.
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**machetemonkey** · Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 3043 Location: Minneapolis, MN

I'm definitely in the camp that songs this hard aren't really fun for me, but I'm not going to go blame the charting for that.

The two dragonforce songs DESTROYED me. There's no doubt about it. Can I say I really had fun flailing through the madness? Not really. I mean, I enjoyed the spectacle of it, but the whole "hitting notes" part (or lack thereof) wasn't really enjoyable. But I expected that coming into it. The charts didn't seem to be "bullshit" in any way. They were just too hard for me. Yeah, there were a few questionable authoring decisions here and there, but I think the people who were expecting HMX to hyperchart/poorly chart every hard song ever should be pleasantly surprised by how these turned out.

As for the Peace Day pack, it's pretty cool. Spinning Wheel is mostly horns on the guitar section, and other than one kind of awkward solo it's pretty straightforward. Sounds absolutely awesome on bass though.

Black Magic Woman, as noted, is really disappointing for being unable to include the Gypsy Queen outro, but what there is of the song is pretty fun with some great soloing.

Somebody to Love was my surprise this week. I played it first because I expected a somewhat boring guitar chart and I just wanted to get through it. While I did SRFC it, it was just all over the place with like 3 solos. Nothing hard (it has a couple of decent hopo runs though), but just continuously fun.

**Rickles** · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject:

If you can't take the heat, don't play with fire (or flames). If you don't like it, then don't play it.

This is dragonforce people. If it's not ridiculously over challenging then I am not interested... On that note, is there a pro chart for this yet?
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