Drum Charts w/Overdrive Fills & DLC (TBRB, LRB, GDRB)

**ajanata** · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

Still working fine for me. Must be on your end, or it was a temporary problem with the server (such things do happen from time to time -- not all of us are rich enough to afford an awesome server like scorehero has

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**machchunk** · Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 3829 Location: Pasco, WA

This thread is just too useful to let it sit on the second page like this.
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**ajanata** · Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:43 am Post subject:

Bump for first batch of DLC charts!

**omgChezMix** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:

This might be a potential issue for your optimizer. On songs with meter changes like Green Grass and High Tides, you still group sections in cut time (2/2) as if they were in common time (4/4). Because there are half the amount of beats per measure during those parts, overdrives actually last for twice the number of measures than usual. I don't know if this is something you were already aware of but in any case it would be convenient to see what meter the section is in when it changes.

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**ajanata** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject:

Overdrive duration is completely calculated in beats in Rock Band. The length of a measure doesn't actually have anything to do with it.

The only issue I forsee is figuring out what the two(?) rate change tempo cutoffs are.
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**omgChezMix** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:

**DjPiLL** · Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 71

Can somebody explain to a newb what the best way to read these charts are? I can see where the white notes are and where potential fills are.

But how do you read the chart to know where optimal overdrive would be? I know you want to save overdrive for the sections with the most notes. But how do you determine this info by just looking at the chart?

Are there any charts that actually say WHERE you should engage overdrive?

Also when someone refers to a chart in numbers (like 2/1/2) what does that mean?

I am pissed because I lost a tug of war to a 0 skill guy last night (he was good - probably just starting his ranking)... I hit 99% notes to his 98% and I hit twice as many notes in a row than he did. I know I lost because he used his overdrive better somehow. Song was Wanted Dead Or Alive on Hard difficulty.

**ajanata** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:

**omgChezMix** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject:

DjPiLL: These charts don't tell you where you should activate, they only tell you where the overdrive phrases and possible points of activation are. The optimal path is for you to figure out. ;)

"2/1/2" means skip 2 fills then activate, skip 1 fill then activate, skip 2 fills then activate

ajanata: Ok I see the meter change. But this means that at measures 18 and 139 it should be labeled 2/2 and the BPM should not double.
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**ajanata** · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject:

*shrug* I'm just graphing the information exactly how it's stored in the game's data files. If the game treats is specially in some cases, which I do not believe to be the case, then I will have to worry about it. However, I think the only issue I really have to worry about for optimizing is that there seem to be three different usage rates depending on tempo (possibly only two but I think it's three).

Not that the game's representation of a given song may not make sense in actual musical notation.
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**DjPiLL** · Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 71

**DjPiLL** · Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 71

One other question. I see numbers at the end of every measure (a black number on top of a red number). What are these? Total points for each measure? Is the Black number a normal points and the red is points earned when doing a fill? I take it if you skip the fill you earn zero points?

ETA: Disregard this question. It explains at the top of his charts.

Yeah figuring out optimal OD is difficult. But not impossible if you know your math I guess. lol

**ajanata** · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:57 am Post subject:

A half bar of OD normally lasts for 16 beats (full bar 32). However, it seems at faster and slower tempos it lasts twice as long/half as long (32/8 beats). I'm not sure of the exact cutoffs for the change and will be looking into it in detail this weekend.
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**Ice** · Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 1033 Location: Amarillo, TX

I'd just like to throw TKAR in the mix. Most of the song is in 4/4, or so it says, but usually when that's the case OD lasts for 4 measures because that's 16 beats. Since it's been determined that 1/2 bar = 16 beats, then why does OD stop after 8 beats on TKAR?

I'll give you the exact findings of my own.

The first chance to activate is on measure 31 with a half a bar and you end on mesure 33. If it's in 4/4 it should last until measure 35 shouldn't it?

I don't know if the program is using the wrong beat or if this song is just fucked up in it's own right, but something's wrong.

BTW this is on medium, I haven't checked easy, hard or expert.

I may just be an idiot so sorry if this has been answered somewhere else.
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**ajanata** · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject:

102 bpm may be under the cutoff for the shorter duration; I'm not sure what they actually are. It wouldn't surprise me if it is.
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