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Airtrooper719
Joined: 29 May 2013 Posts: 235 Location: Newcastle, UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Triblood wrote: | Sent in a PM, Air. |
Sent via email, enjoy |
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columbo777
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 245
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Triblood
Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Posts: 11
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Airtrooper719
Joined: 29 May 2013 Posts: 235 Location: Newcastle, UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Great song, keep up the hard work :)
I will give this upgrade a playtest sometime through the week and let you know how it goes.
If you want me to make this thread a joint operation let me know, I will add your name to the thread and all your uploads to the main song list. |
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Airtrooper719
Joined: 29 May 2013 Posts: 235 Location: Newcastle, UK
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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You will start to recognise harmonix' way of charting things on 5 button.
Occassionally you will need to spot the dud hammerons (notes added to legacy mode to make it more fluid, but are not actually notes on the guitar track).
Sometimes they will for example make a 3 note per string scale run 4-5 notes on the 5tar mode to make it more challenging on legacy. So you will find yourself removing various MIDI notes (especially when charting solos).
And also im sure your aware, not all notes are guitar notes. Infact, a lot of RB3 guitar tracks on legacy mode can follow the progressions of anything from keys to percussion (my smokin' by boston upgrade is an example of this). Although I wouldn't recommend trying these, I done smokin as an experiment, and while it is extremely fun to play that solo (all notes are tappable in the organ solo, as if you are playing a keytar) it can get confusing for a guitar player, as those keyboard scale positions are inefficient when transferred to strings and start to get confusing. (It uses a heavy dose of pentatonic scales in the key of A, however, is not fingered the same way as a standard tuned guitar).
Finally a little tip. I use YouTube to search for a 100% FC of the 5tar mode of whichever song I want to chart, and then this gives me the ability to scrutinise each and every colouored gem and figure out which real note/chord that gem belongs to. When its solo time, never rely on tabs (NEVER!). You can click the cog on the video player and slow the track to x0.50, now you can systematically pick your guitar up, figure out the exact notes/doublestops/unisons etc for the solo. It is a lengthy process, but believe me when it comes to playing the upgrade you will feel its authenticity.
A final note about copying straight from tabs, have a look at Astonone66's upgrades. He does not play guitar but he attempted to write over 15 upgrades which are now literally unplayable, not because he sucks or anything (hes a cool dude, down to earth) but because he ripped the tabs off songster and tab pro. If anything use a 5 star rated tab as a foundation and build on top of it. |
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Triblood
Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Posts: 11
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah it just kind of caught on to me that Harmonix uses the guitar 5 keys to fill in and make the some a bit more fun and giving it a bit more of a challenge (Learned this while going over Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz, their guitar is correct to points but they use the guitar to fill in on other instruments in that song that aren't normally playable).
Feel free to add any upgrades that I help make to your lists, though I wont set them out to the public until I feel okay that i was able at least closely match the song.
There are some songs (like Bullet with a Name by Nonpoint for example) that start with a soft touch on notes then get a bit heavier with a few extra notes that some/most tabs don't cover. |
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Alternity
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 410 Location: Montréal, QC
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to look at 5 button charts, for X reason, you can use ipather, it's more efficient than a RB video... you even see the # of the bar, and it's on a jpg basically... Video is pause.. play, pause.. etc gets annoying XD |
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columbo777
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 245
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Is this G/B or Gx2? (guitar / bass or guitar copied over bass)
also, do you want access to the PRO inventory spreadsheet?
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Triblood
Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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It's G/B, even had to double check because i couldn't remember off the top of my head.
By access, do you mean where I can add/edit in songs i made onto the sheet myself? |
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columbo777
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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yes, yes I do. PM me and I'll add you.
BTW, Good solid advice from Airtrooper. You should be able to somewhat play the song in order to chart it well. and you have to make sure BASS is in the same key (I used that make THAT mistake A LOT) so avoid just grabbing a chart for each off the internet.
The Harmonix 5 button really helps you because its consistent. Meaning that if early in the song the note Am is GB, then everywhere in the song it will be GB. You'll get a feel for it very quickly. Start with the simplest song on your charting list!
Lastly, Make consistent choices yourself. For example, I will chart very minor bends as Hammers, but larger bends as Slides. I do this for a couple of reasons, but more importantly, I am consistent throughout the song with those choices. Think of yourself as a "guitar conductor" talking to the guitarist as you chart. It helps.
As you might expect, we are all here to help as we want more guitarist charting and try to help get the best charts we can produced.
Triblood wrote: |
By access, do you mean where I can add/edit in songs i made onto the sheet myself? |
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Triblood
Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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It'll be a little bit easier for me to chart songs when I get a new amp or fix the one i have so i can play sections and so on. |
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Airtrooper719
Joined: 29 May 2013 Posts: 235 Location: Newcastle, UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Triblood wrote: | It'll be a little bit easier for me to chart songs when I get a new amp or fix the one i have so i can play sections and so on. |
Have you got a USB interface or even a rocksmith realtone cable?
If so I'd recommend using Guitar Rig 5 or Amplitube, and when you want a more advanced professional tone, FL Studio/Reaper/Pro Tools with a selection of amp/stomp/effect VST plug-ins. 10 times better than most amps (unless you got a nice expensive tube amp).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5Y73uNwUc
Check that video out, the sound is what you would hear on a professional recording, and that virtual amp is free. I havent owned an amp for over 2 years now, I sold it to get a TASCAM interface to give better dry signal to my amp models on the PC. But the rocksmith cable is still low latency and good bitrates (i think it supports up to 56k without any sound loss which is very high quality).
The next video is my guitar cover of Ruin by Lamb of God, this was recorded live running through Guitar Rig 5...listen to how fat that low end sound is, better than any amp ive owned tbh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wUMh-SQf8 |
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Triblood
Joined: 03 Nov 2014 Posts: 11
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'll keep that in mind XD
Though however personally, i'd try to get both (at least a cheap amp that can get the job somewhat done) and the virtual amp. I'll play whenever we have events go on around the house (like bonfires, hanging out in large groups, etc), then there would be the virtual amp for more specific uses like helping build charts and so on.
And sorry for the lateness, work has me beat to hell and back right now because the managers thought it was a good idea to add an extra work night to our schedule, so we've worked overnights on wednesday, last night, and we're going in tonight too so I haven't had much time to work on charting, so hopefully this weekend i'll be able to get something done for pro upgrading. |
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Airtrooper719
Joined: 29 May 2013 Posts: 235 Location: Newcastle, UK
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Triblood wrote: | I'll keep that in mind XD
Though however personally, i'd try to get both (at least a cheap amp that can get the job somewhat done) and the virtual amp. I'll play whenever we have events go on around the house (like bonfires, hanging out in large groups, etc), then there would be the virtual amp for more specific uses like helping build charts and so on.
And sorry for the lateness, work has me beat to hell and back right now because the managers thought it was a good idea to add an extra work night to our schedule, so we've worked overnights on wednesday, last night, and we're going in tonight too so I haven't had much time to work on charting, so hopefully this weekend i'll be able to get something done for pro upgrading. |
No rush dude, its your hard work nobody elses, take all the time you need....its a hobby after all :)
I have been inactive for a few weeks, just been getting accustomed to my new squier, been spending a whole week tweaking the damn thing it played like crap when I first got it but now I have got the hit detection solid enough that Im ready to start writing more upgrades soon for it. Would love to do RB2 imports but like I said earlier in the post, my USB stick is only 2GB and I dont think its big enough to fit the import pack onto to transfer to my PC :(
Im dying to chart Colony of Birchmen and Ramblin' Man! |
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columbo777
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 245
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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ohhh, ramkblin man. good one _________________
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