Top 100 Hardest Drum FCs - February 18th Update

**mazegeek999PSN** · Joined: 23 Jul 2012 Posts: 460

I understand why simply counting the number of broken kicks doesn't determine the difficulty of the song. However, Chiasm has more (about twice as more) PLUS more crazy stuff throughout the song. Also I have told you this, but with those quint rolls you can start on your left hand, do natural sticking and do one double-right on the last two greens. One. You've done triple strokes in TCE, I don't really see how the rolls (the rolls, not with the kicks) can be too hard for you. Yes, they speed up, and that's probably the hardest part of it, but muscle memory can take care of that with time (I would know this, I deal with annoying speed-ups on an even more critical engine, pro keys.).
Also you're saying that SV is 17nps, which I'm sure it is, but you're not saying how fast Chiasm is. It's probably not as fast as SV, but it's definitely close. And again, with all the stupid parts in Chiasm, it's safe to say a couple nps difference won't really make or break the difficulty.
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**TheLonging** · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 4191

Also, do you guys think Color Your World isn't that hard? There's that one bit in the screaming part that has the really fast bass pedal and the YBGB etc. fills.
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**BeastinIsMyGame** · Joined: 14 Feb 2012 Posts: 91

I think that it would be easier for me to critique this list if I knew what was assumed regarding FCing any of these songs. The two major questions are
1. Do we assume that anyone attempting to FC one of these songs has double bass?
2. Do we assume the FC is a non-bootleg?
If it is assumed that no one has double bass I could see songs like Pawns and Ziltoidia Attaxx moving up tremendously. And if it is given that optimal is being used then I could see a legitimate argument for Chiasm>SV (although I would still vote in favor of SV). Regarding other mentioned changes, in my humble opinion, Shimmer is as hard if not harder than TWIE. And yes, We Collide is harder than Believing, there are some darn fast rolls in We Collide that ruin most FC chances. And after some thought I still feel that XenoChrist is a good new low for Epic List.

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**Blakeison2112** · Joined: 30 Sep 2011 Posts: 108

I honestly don't think TWIE should be here at all. Like sure its hard but its nothing mind blowing you got to have a decent technique. Trippolette, Say Sayonara, Killing in the name, PTTS, Visions and a lot of harder shit aren't on the list. Those songs are much harder then TWIE. Thoughts?

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**mazegeek999PSN** · Joined: 23 Jul 2012 Posts: 460

Could anyone else explain to me why Sinner's Vengeance is harder than Chiasm? I don't really feel like I've had a logical answer yet, and it just really doesn't make sense that you guys think SV is harder. I'm just wondering what your reasoning is.
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**CyclopsDragon** · Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:05 am Post subject:

**Blakeison2112** · Joined: 30 Sep 2011 Posts: 108

Im with maze on this one Chiasm is prolly harder then SV

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**CyclopsDragon** · Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:13 am Post subject:

Well, let's just say for a moment that Solo 2D is the most difficult broken section in Chiasm. While the speed of the roll is a problem (and Chiasm's Solo 2D roll is at least as fast as SV), I think that the biggest problem is the concentration of the kicks, along with the weird division of them. In Chiasm, both the kicks and the rolls are, individually, very simple rhythms. It's a weird polyrhythm when you put them together, but they're consistent. As well, the kicks are the exact same speed for the entirety of the fill. In Sinner's Vengeance, however, the kicks aren't spaced perfectly evenly. Starting from the green before the kicks, the spacing is GOGOG G GOGOG G GOGOG G (GO). Not only is this much harder to discern and play precisely at high speeds, but there's no easy way to keep on beat with it, because this is a rubato fill, not a section with an obvious beat. While Chiasm's broken sections are mainly a matter of muscle memory and limb independence with some precision (at least, that's how I see it), Sinner's Vengeance is an issue of such incredible precision that I would personally say it really does beat out Chiasm in terms of how much the broken fills affect its FC difficulty.
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