Oddities regarding the RB 3 engine

**Nubnut** · Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 2078 Location: Denver, CO

I was just curious if anyone knows what exactly they've changed regarding the RB 3 engine for drums.

Originally I thought they had just made the timing window for rolls extremely tight (I kept missing one of the three rolls in 29 fingers for gods sake). And then later in the day was playing We are the Nightmare and hitting some of the rolls....

So what the hell is going on?
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**ProffessorJoe** · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:08 am Post subject:

The same thing that happens in every game. Calibration issues and new visuals to adjust to. Threads like these pop up all the time and the answer is always the same.
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**Nubnut** · Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 2078 Location: Denver, CO

I play on a CRT.

my calibration is, and always has been 0/0 on every game, even after doing it manually multiple times, it still is 0/0.

Secondly visuals don't exactly explain how someone on the RB 2 engine who could FC a good deal of harder songs, all of a sudden can't hit one of the easiest songs in the game. And at the same time can all of a sudden hit some of the hardest fills in the game.

And i know im not the only one who thinks the timing windows are weird (hence VD0G still FC'ing everything on RB 2 due to a "broken roll engine").
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**inv4der** · Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 9656 Location: Meridian, ID

It's calibration. Several people with CRTs have added 20 something to both numbers (forget if its positive or negative) and have noticed dramatic positive results. While I autocalibrated, I'm on a CRT and got numbers in the 20-30s for both. The first and usually the most accurate answer to engine issues in RB3 is almost always calibration. That goes for any TV.
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**EinsteinSL** · Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 584

After playing RB3 for a while and switching to RB2, I found them to be pretty much the same engine wise at least on drums, but visually I prefer RB2 a lot.
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**ProffessorJoe** · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:22 am Post subject:

**Nubnut** · Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Posts: 2078 Location: Denver, CO

Just calibrated, and the audio was indeed at -25, strangely though the video was at -1. Though i do play largely by ear, so time to test and see if it made a difference.

EDIT: Well it wasn't any better. Bumped it up to +10 on the video though and I just almost GS'ed RttH.

So now my question is, why is this the first rhythm game that I've ever had to calibrate on CRTV?
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**PuppetMaster9** · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:09 am Post subject:

I don't know if other people experience this problem to the degree that I do, but I seem to have a very hard time hitting 13.5+ NPS rolls on RB3's engine. Adding to the weirdness, it seems even more apparent on BNS than Normal track speed. That's kind of the reason why I haven't FCed Beast and the Harlot yet: It's full of those kinds of rolls and I keep missing them, even when I'm sure that I should have FCed them. I can tolerate the freestyle drum rolls since I know how to hit them now for the most part, but the rolls that exceed Dead on Arrival speed just piss me off severely in this engine.

And I know this doesn't affect gameplay, but visually, I prefer RB2. RB3's look just seems sterile; the bass drums don't affect the track, the solo counter doesn't move along with the notes, and it just doesn't look as sharp in general. I even tried comparing SD with HD on YouTube, and the difference is practically indistinguishable, especially compared to how clear the quality difference is in RB2.
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**ProffessorJoe** · Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject:

**Pas26** · Joined: 04 Oct 2008 Posts: 3664 Location: Québec, Canada

CRTs do need calibration for the timing window to be perfectly centered, and even then because of the way rolls and such work you have to add 20ish ms to center the timing window in these conditions. CRTs DO have lag, even if the lag only comes from the instruments.
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**gladiators16** · Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 954 Location: Canada

These are the suggested calibration numbers that I took from the manuals of RB2 and RB3. (With the numbers on the left being audio and the right being video).

RB2
LCD 1 60 30
LCD 2 5 50
CRT 0 0
DLP 80 60
Rear 5 30
Projection
Plasma 50 50

RB3
LCD 1 80 50
LCD 2 15 30
CRT 0 0
DLP 15 60
Rear 5 50
Projection
Plasma 50 50

You can see that there are lots of changes between the numbers. So what I did was, take my RB2 numbers, and change them according to how they changed between the manuals. So my calibration was 60 and 30 in RB2 conveniently, and in RB3, for the same LCD TV one, both the audio and video numbers increased by 20, so that's what I did to my RB2 numbers, and got 80 and 50 in RB3, like the manual suggests. If you have an LCD TV but it's closer to the LCD 2 number than it is to the LCD 1, change your RB2 number by how much those two numbers changed. For example, if it was 20 and 30 in RB2, it would be 30 and 10 in RB3.
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**nextneilpeart95** · Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:31 am Post subject:

I personally play on CRT, but I haven't had calibration issues with RB3. In fact, I had more issues with RB2. Still, I think part of it may be that they spent 2 years building a new engine and then didn't do any of the calibration until the final stages of programming. I'd agree with Joe in saying that these games are more geared for HDTVs because other music games have had such difficulty in terms of such calibration and the fact that HDTVs have caught on and are extremely abundant.

Still, I like the new engine quite a bit, though I know quite a few drummers beg to differ. To me, it seems that RB3 helps Guitarists a whole lot but screws us drummers over

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**Pas26** · Joined: 04 Oct 2008 Posts: 3664 Location: Québec, Canada