Possible big issue with Ions + Pro mode

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I think DavidShek is experimenting with a signal adjuster that is sold by the Rock Band Kickbox guys. A third party adjustment is going to be your best bet. Either that, or ditch the Ion brain for a real brain and use a MIDI adapter (that is $$$ though).
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I think DavidShek is experimenting with a signal adjuster that is sold by the Rock Band Kickbox guys. A third party adjustment is going to be your best bet. Either that, or ditch the Ion brain for a real brain and use a MIDI adapter (that is $$$ though).
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[oobitydoo]

This is probably because of the way the ion brain differentiates between tom and cymbal hits. I noticed this when I hooked it up to my computer to try to play DTXmania, lol.

The stock ion brain has essentially 6 inputs for drums, which I think windows saw as buttons 4,5,6,7,11,12. (We'll just pretend these are the right numbers...if they aren't, you know what I mean.) 4,5,6,7 are the colors, 11 is for toms, and 12 is for cymbals. That is, if you hit the yellow tom, you'd get 5+11 registering. If you hit the blue cymbal, you'd get 6+12 registering. However, if you hit the yellow tom and blue cymbal at the same time, you get (5+11) + (6+12), which means you ALSO get inputs (5+12) + (6+11) registering, since all 4 buttons are depressed. I.e., you get an extra yellow cymbal and blue tom registering.

My friend and I could never figure out how RB managed to ignore these extraneous triggers, and the only thing we could come up with was that the polling rate was high enough that it wouldn't be humanly possible to hit a tom+cymbal close enough together for the game to register it incorrectly (or just that it didn't matter if you got strange input, but when we took it into freestyle, we could only hear the drums we hit, not the extra hits). If that was the case, maybe that window was enlarged just a bit for RB3...it's be pretty ironic if that was a consequence of them fixing how the timing window works actually broke the game for pro drums.
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[oobitydoo]

This is probably because of the way the ion brain differentiates between tom and cymbal hits. I noticed this when I hooked it up to my computer to try to play DTXmania, lol.

The stock ion brain has essentially 6 inputs for drums, which I think windows saw as buttons 4,5,6,7,11,12. (We'll just pretend these are the right numbers...if they aren't, you know what I mean.) 4,5,6,7 are the colors, 11 is for toms, and 12 is for cymbals. That is, if you hit the yellow tom, you'd get 5+11 registering. If you hit the blue cymbal, you'd get 6+12 registering. However, if you hit the yellow tom and blue cymbal at the same time, you get (5+11) + (6+12), which means you ALSO get inputs (5+12) + (6+11) registering, since all 4 buttons are depressed. I.e., you get an extra yellow cymbal and blue tom registering.

My friend and I could never figure out how RB managed to ignore these extraneous triggers, and the only thing we could come up with was that the polling rate was high enough that it wouldn't be humanly possible to hit a tom+cymbal close enough together for the game to register it incorrectly (or just that it didn't matter if you got strange input, but when we took it into freestyle, we could only hear the drums we hit, not the extra hits). If that was the case, maybe that window was enlarged just a bit for RB3...it's be pretty ironic if that was a consequence of them fixing how the timing window works actually broke the game for pro drums.
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[singemfrc]

That is very interesting but I'm not sure if it's the root cause since it is only sporadic and happens regardless of what else I'm hitting, if anything. I can spam the hell out of a cymbal and get 99% perfect hits but it will just throw one tom hit where it should be a cymbal, and it does it even when the cymbal is hit slowly.
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That is very interesting but I'm not sure if it's the root cause since it is only sporadic and happens regardless of what else I'm hitting, if anything. I can spam the hell out of a cymbal and get 99% perfect hits but it will just throw one tom hit where it should be a cymbal, and it does it even when the cymbal is hit slowly.
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[oobitydoo]

Hmm, and that's when it's just the cymbal right, not when you're also hitting a different tom with it? Sounds like it's probably just the brain getting confused and throwing the wrong input. Something shorting maybe? I don't have RB3, so I couldn't tell you with my kit, but when I was playing on a friend's ion, I didn't have that problem. So it's possible that some of the brains just didn't have perfect quality control, or they just degraded over time, and the tom/cymbal inputs are occasionally shorting together. Other than that, I don't have any idea what it could be.
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[oobitydoo]

Hmm, and that's when it's just the cymbal right, not when you're also hitting a different tom with it? Sounds like it's probably just the brain getting confused and throwing the wrong input. Something shorting maybe? I don't have RB3, so I couldn't tell you with my kit, but when I was playing on a friend's ion, I didn't have that problem. So it's possible that some of the brains just didn't have perfect quality control, or they just degraded over time, and the tom/cymbal inputs are occasionally shorting together. Other than that, I don't have any idea what it could be.
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I have Alesis DM10 pads hooked up to an ION brain and the cymbals have very low sensitivity whereas the pads are extremely sensitive (you can spit on one and it triggers). I think it's part RB3 part ION brain since it seems a lot of players have been reporting reduced cymbal sensitivity.
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I have Alesis DM10 pads hooked up to an ION brain and the cymbals have very low sensitivity whereas the pads are extremely sensitive (you can spit on one and it triggers). I think it's part RB3 part ION brain since it seems a lot of players have been reporting reduced cymbal sensitivity.
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The problem with my ION set is that every so often it'll force a combo break. I'm not sure if its a glitch in the game or my cymbals overhitting. I got a gameplay video of the combo break happening and slowed it down frame by frame and couldn't see any other pad being registered when the overhit happened. I should be thankful it's not actually dropping hits all together. It's just making a lot of my FC's into 100% overhits. Even though I didn't overhit
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The problem with my ION set is that every so often it'll force a combo break. I'm not sure if its a glitch in the game or my cymbals overhitting. I got a gameplay video of the combo break happening and slowed it down frame by frame and couldn't see any other pad being registered when the overhit happened. I should be thankful it's not actually dropping hits all together. It's just making a lot of my FC's into 100% overhits. Even though I didn't overhit
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[Kaelaen]

Have you guys eliminated static as a possible source? My IONs get static attacks every couple of months starting about year ago, I just wipe them down with fabric softener (the jacks, inside the ports, surface, etc) and then they work fine again. Maybe everything is too tight? If that's the case it could just be crosstalk due to vibrations.
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[Kaelaen]

Have you guys eliminated static as a possible source? My IONs get static attacks every couple of months starting about year ago, I just wipe them down with fabric softener (the jacks, inside the ports, surface, etc) and then they work fine again. Maybe everything is too tight? If that's the case it could just be crosstalk due to vibrations.
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