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MCP
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I'm all about the "all difficulties" as well. I know I usually only play with a group of friends, and they aren't "expert" level yet.
Also, does anybody know which notes correspond to which pitches for vocal charts? (from debr's text file of vocals) http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1711&start=0
It says 36-95 are for vocals, but, for example, which one is middle C? Anybody figure this part yet?
This would make it much more helpful with charting vocals because if you have the sheet music, you can do the pitches spot on. Just a thought. |
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Zilcho
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, hard does have off beats. Offbeats are introduced in the last couple tiers of medium. Hard tends to be Expert, but with slightly less bass drum.
Easy and Medium both tend to be more a basic drum beat, with bass drum on 1 and 3 and snare on 2 and 4. If I remember right, eighth notes on high hat are reduced to quarter notes, depending on the speed of the song (such as In Bloom)
EDIT: In regards to vocals, I think the best thing would be to use the tool that ImaCarrot posted.
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Leff
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| MCP wrote: | It says 36-95 are for vocals, but, for example, which one is middle C? Anybody figure this part yet?
This would make it much more helpful with charting vocals because if you have the sheet music, you can do the pitches spot on. Just a thought. |
60 is Middle C, I believe.
And thanks for the info, Zilcho, that's really helpful.
Also, I haven't looked at that KR tool, does it actually generate a .mid file or does it export some other representation of it kinda like dB does? I'm just trying to look ahead and see how I'm going to handle vocals with the chart converter.
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Zilcho
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If I remember right, it can export both a KR pack and a KR midi. In order to use it properly though, you have to open it in a midi editor later so you can merge it into a Rock Band midi file and change the events, since all the events generated are KR events, not Rock Band events.
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ImaCarrot
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I haven't looked at it in depth much, but I'm fairly certain you won't have to change much to get the KR midi to work with RB. In fact, KRMaker can open up RB midi's just fine and display the vocal chart perfectly.
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cool--ethan
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| Leff wrote: | | A note to everyone charting drums: Remember that FeedBack still uses GRYBO ordering, whereas the RB drumset goes RYBG with O being the kick. |
well you should know that you don't just chart the color that the drum shows up. I opened some drum tracks in dB it looked like this:
G = O (bass pedal)
R = R (usually Snare)
Y = Y (usually high-hat or tom)
B = B (usually a cymbal or tom)
O = G (usually a cymbal or floor tom)
so unless your converter also changes the order to where it is GRYBO into its respective colors rather than ORYBG.
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acra
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| cool--ethan wrote: | | so unless your converter also changes the order to where it is GRYBO into its respective colors rather than ORYBG. |
I've converted a few of my charts to mid and then back to chart, and all the colors were in the right spot. The green/kick was still the green, etc.
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| acra wrote: | | cool--ethan wrote: | | so unless your converter also changes the order to where it is GRYBO into its respective colors rather than ORYBG. |
I've converted a few of my charts to mid and then back to chart, and all the colors were in the right spot. The green/kick was still the green, etc. |
i mean like if you chart it out to Orange being the kick in dB and Green being the cymbal, will it switch those around during the conversion process. if it did it that way it would make charting drums slightly less confusing for people that begin charting.
cause remembering colors is a lot easier than remembering placement.
idk its just thought, i dont care either way.
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Alfalfamale
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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It couldn't be too hard to make a program, like feedback, for drums could it?
edit: You know just to avoid the confusion that i am experiencing right now reading posts that don't seem to be focusing on the topic to me.
and dude, cool--ethan, change your avatar. |
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acra
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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I've been charting drums in dB for about a month now. It works fine >_>
And ethan, when I started, I was doing all the junk with the green to the right of the orange, and it just confused the hell out of me. I think it is actually less confusing with the kick all the way to the left.
This is because you don't have to imagine the green to the right of the blue, which is what made me super confused.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Think you could give me the charts? |
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Leff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| cool--ethan wrote: | | Leff wrote: | | A note to everyone charting drums: Remember that FeedBack still uses GRYBO ordering, whereas the RB drumset goes RYBG with O being the kick. |
well you should know that you don't just chart the color that the drum shows up. I opened some drum tracks in dB it looked like this:
G = O (bass pedal)
R = R (usually Snare)
Y = Y (usually high-hat or tom)
B = B (usually a cymbal or tom)
O = G (usually a cymbal or floor tom)
so unless your converter also changes the order to where it is GRYBO into its respective colors rather than ORYBG. |
Well, I'm thinking more in terms of note frequency values to input to the .mid file. I figured they all followed Green as the base, +1 = red, +2 = yellow, etc... so for Easy:
60 = Green
61 = Red
62 = Yellow
63 = Blue
64 = Orange
And looking at the RB drumset I figured they wouldn't have color-coded them in such an order if it didn't follow the same note frequency pattern? I couldn't really tell from your post whether you were correcting me or reinforcing my post... The way the converter handles it is Orange (64) is the kick drum and Green (60) would be the right-most pad, or the floor tom/cymbal. Right? Wrong? Maybe I'm just thinking too hard...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| For those charting drums, hook your drums up to the pc, and just joy to key to make the drum pads work for the correct parts, and you could even practice in playback. I think the clap function in db will come in handy with drums. Good luck!! |
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TemjinStrife
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Medium is pretty consistent patterns with simple fills and the occasional off-beat, generally subdividing into 8ths and requiring more stick "movement" from pad to pad. Bass pedal is once per quarter note except in very special situations. Easy is very consistent, with maybe 2-4 beats per measure charted and not very much variation. I find it harder to play than Medium due to the lack of notes to keep the beat with!
I haven't quite graduated to Hard or Expert, so I can't contribute there.
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acra
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've played all the difficulties (started expert and worked down though >_>).
Charted these out according to what it was like.
Shouldn't need the audio if you just want a general look. (You can always turn claps on and hit play, they sound percussive).
No Brains still looks hard on easy, but it is definitely toned down. Peace Sells is Finalizer's; drum charted with permission, of course.
http://www.savefile.com/files/1308699
Might help some people. Never know.
Once I finish some vocal charts I'll put em up here too. But man do they take forever to get right
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