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Mischlings
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 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: Muscles used for drumming |
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Yes, I know that technique is far and away more important than sheer strength when drumming. However, I'd like to know anyway which muscles are used when drumming (specifically in the leg, but others would be nice to know) to work on strength in ways other than just playing more.
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For foot pedals, it depends on your style...
Heel Down: Most, if not all strength required comes from the Tibia and Fibula, the rest of your leg tends to stay pretty stationary.
Heel Up: This technique involves using the weight of your leg to push your foot into the pedal. Being able to hold your foot up for long periods of time is the only exercise that will allow for more endurance. Practicing will make this technique extremely useful after it is mastered though.
(I'm a heel down player)
For sticks, I prefer to hold it with my index finger & thumb, letting it rest on my other 3. Depending on the style of beat/speed of song, I either move my whole wrist, my whole arm or just the three fingers the stick is resting on. Flicking your fingers while keeping your Index finger + thumb together is the great way to build up alot of stamina for this method. Otherwise, doing the snapping motion with your wrist ( no stick) will help for overall stamina.
Let me know if that cleared up your question at all.
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MusketWarrior
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| taintlesscapeSH wrote: | For foot pedals, it depends on your style...
Heel Down: Most, if not all strength required comes from the Tibia and Fibula, the rest of your leg tends to stay pretty stationary.
Heel Up: This technique involves using the weight of your leg to push your foot into the pedal. Being able to hold your foot up for long periods of time is the only exercise that will allow for more endurance. Practicing will make this technique extremely useful after it is mastered though.
(I'm a heel down player)
For sticks, I prefer to hold it with my index finger & thumb, letting it rest on my other 3. Depending on the style of beat/speed of song, I either move my whole wrist, my whole arm or just the three fingers the stick is resting on. Flicking your fingers while keeping your Index finger + thumb together is the great way to build up alot of stamina for this method. Otherwise, doing the snapping motion with your wrist ( no stick) will help for overall stamina.
Let me know if that cleared up your question at all. |
First of all, the tibia and fibula are bones, not muscles. To the OP, you should work on calf strength and flexibility for your leg strength. In general, I would also concentrate on hip and hamstring flexibility, although these are not necessarily deal-breakers.
As for hands, just work using your fingers to provide strength for each stroke. Some involve their pinky and others don't. The ultimate decision comes up to you (some swear that involving the pinky will ultimately give you more power, although using just the middle and ring fingers is more common).
EDIT: Working on your forearms will also enhance wrist strength and power, and triceps and shoulders should also help.
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taintlesscapeSH
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I know they're bones. You need to strengthen the muscles around the two.
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| taintlesscapeSH wrote: | | I know they're bones. You need to strengthen the muscles around the two. |
I think the point is that since the thread is called "muscles used for drumming" then maybe you should talk about the muscles
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| bclare wrote: | | taintlesscapeSH wrote: | | I know they're bones. You need to strengthen the muscles around the two. |
I think the point is that since the thread is called "muscles used for drumming" then maybe you should talk about the muscles |
Should've been more specific, sorry.
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| MusketWarrior wrote: |
First of all, the tibia and fibula are bones, not muscles. To the OP, you should work on calf strength and flexibility for your leg strength. In general, I would also concentrate on hip and hamstring flexibility, although these are not necessarily deal-breakers.
As for hands, just work using your fingers to provide strength for each stroke. Some involve their pinky and others don't. The ultimate decision comes up to you (some swear that involving the pinky will ultimately give you more power, although using just the middle and ring fingers is more common).
EDIT: Working on your forearms will also enhance wrist strength and power, and triceps and shoulders should also help. |
I don't see much use in the hamstring, it's more the quad and hip flexor muscles for the legs, in addition to the calf and whatever muscles run up and down the shin. As far as the hands, the typical bicep/triceps answer is appropriate, but be careful not to over-strengthen the wrist; you'll get carpal tunnel. The real question, though, is why are you worried about strength? It doesn't matter how strong you are; it's speed and endurance, which will only grow by doing the movements associated with drumming. In other words, it's not going to matter how much you can curl, bench, or squat, the only way to get endurance and speed is going to be practice and repetition.
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| Olphius wrote: | | The real question, though, is why are you worried about strength? It doesn't matter how strong you are; it's speed and endurance, which will only grow by doing the movements associated with drumming. In other words, it's not going to matter how much you can curl, bench, or squat, the only way to get endurance and speed is going to be practice and repetition. |
Well, there are a few reasons. For one, I plan on starting to work on strength training in general and wanted to know what muscles specifically are involved in drumming. I know that technique is more important, but I think of it like why athletes do strength training; physical strength isn't the most important part of being an athlete, but it does help. Also, I don't always have the chance to drum whenever I want, so another method to at least build up some strength and help with drumming would be nice.
To everyone here: Thanks for the answers. I'll look into seeing what I might be able to do to help build strength in those muscles. It's not the most important part, but it can't hurt.
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Gastrocnemius and soleus are the big two muscles in the calf that would be used if you play heel-down.
For the arms, you'll want to work on the extensor muscles of the forearm to strengthen the ability to extend (pronate, so also the pronation muscles) your wrist.
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| Olphius wrote: | | I don't see much use in the hamstring, it's more the quad and hip flexor muscles for the legs, in addition to the calf and whatever muscles run up and down the shin. |
Hamstring flexibility (not strength) is vital to drumming. If your hamstrings are tight, speed is limited and fatigue and cramps will onset much faster.
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i know this is off topic and i appologize but this is something for you golfers to try 
the week before i played in a little golf outing i played run to the hills a LOT. It ended up adding about 20 yards to my drive, allowing me to hit my longest drive ever  I use a lot of shoulders while drumming which is why it built up my golf swing speed, so i suppose if you're mostly a wrist player this wouldn't work, but i just thought i'd share.
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| MusketWarrior wrote: | | Olphius wrote: | | I don't see much use in the hamstring, it's more the quad and hip flexor muscles for the legs, in addition to the calf and whatever muscles run up and down the shin. |
Hamstring flexibility (not strength) is vital to drumming. If your hamstrings are tight, speed is limited and fatigue and cramps will onset much faster. |
That sounds totally reasonable, I stand corrected.
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I found this old thread from searching about drumming muscles and thought I'd chime in from the point of view as a real drummer. Yes, I've played Rockband many times..and there's not a high hat pedal but...
I can definitely say the hamstring is involved in the left leg for the high hat. By playing heel up and lifting the leg over and over for 4th/8th notes you do use the back of your leg since you lift it in entirety. Since you only use your right leg in Rockband (at least the last one I played) you're probably using your hamstring if you play heel up.
When I first started playing drums I did a 'marathon' of almost 2 hours and was using my left leg on the HH the entire time. The next day or the day after I was in unbelievable pain and couldn't walk, had to take time off from work I think and my leg was bruised. I pulled or stretched the hamstring and initially I couldn't figure out what caused it. So when I was finally able to play drums again the pain came back although very mildly and I knew what it was.
I know, bumping a 2 year old thread..but just thought I'd add some education.
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I don't see much use in the hamstring, it's more the quad and hip flexor muscles for the legs, in addition to the calf and whatever muscles run up and down the shin. As far as the hands, the typical bicep/triceps answer is appropriate, but be careful not to over-strengthen the wrist; you'll get carpal tunnel. The real question, though, is why are you worried about strength? It doesn't matter how strong you are; it's speed and endurance, which will only grow by doing the movements associated with drumming. In other words, it's not going to matter how much you can curl, bench, or squat, the only way to get endurance and speed is going to be practice and repetition. |
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DO SS AND GOMAD
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| yksi-kaksi-kolme wrote: | | DO SS AND GOMAD |
It would actually help. I wouldnt do both at the same time, however :p
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