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vipergtsr7588
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 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: The drums have a few issues |
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i played RB for the 1st time yesterday and me having experience on the drums, the 1st thing i noticed is they give you some driftwood shaped like drumsticks.
they are way too light and thin to play well.
I'm not expecting them to include like 100$ professional drumsticks, but at least give me something that feels like real drumsticks.
you can get cheap ones for like 5$
if you have no experience with real drums, then you should know that drumsticks are supposed to be heavier in the back than they are in the front where you strike and they are not supposed to be the same width all the way along it, the back should be thicker and it curves into a point
then there is the placement of the pedal, they place it right under the drums where as in truth it is pushed back a lot more than that, and i ended up having to scoot my chair back a lot just so i could play the pedal without getting a cramp
all in all i think they did a nice job with it all, and i never expected them to get it perfect
so whether there is issues or not i think harmonix is still an incredible company |
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GurnKiller
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: The drums have a few issues |
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| vipergtsr7588 wrote: | i played RB for the 1st time yesterday and me having experience on the drums, the 1st thing i noticed is they give you some driftwood shaped like drumsticks.
they are way too light and thin to play well.
I'm not expecting them to include like 100$ professional drumsticks, but at least give me something that feels like real drumsticks.
you can get cheap ones for like 5$
if you have no experience with real drums, then you should know that drumsticks are supposed to be heavier in the back than they are in the front where you strike and they are not supposed to be the same width all the way along it, the back should be thicker and it curves into a point
then there is the placement of the pedal, they place it right under the drums where as in truth it is pushed back a lot more than that, and i ended up having to scoot my chair back a lot just so i could play the pedal without getting a cramp
all in all i think they did a nice job with it all, and i never expected them to get it perfect
so whether there is issues or not i think harmonix is still an incredible company |
If you're paying $100 for "professional" drumsticks, then you may want to check out a different store. Most pairs are between $8-$12.
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NoPance
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: The drums have a few issues |
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| vipergtsr7588 wrote: | | if you have no experience with real drums, then you should know that drumsticks are supposed to be heavier in the back than they are in the front where you strike and they are not supposed to be the same width all the way along it, the back should be thicker and it curves into a point |
Weight distribution varies stick to stick. Some prefer to put it behind the fulcrum, some put it in front, some are bead-heavy. It all depends on the model of stick used.
Also most sticks are uniformly thick on most of the stick, so I'm not sure why you're saying the back should be thicker. The stick does get thinner as it approaches the bead, and that's called the "taper" of the stick. The placement of the taper has a great deal to do with both the rebound of the implement and the quality/timbre of sound generated, so you'll find tapers vary wildly stick model to stick model.
I do agree that RB rocks, the default RB sticks suck, and like gurn I hope you don't ever have to buy a $100 professional drumstick. :P
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NoPance
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: The drums have a few issues |
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| GurnKiller wrote: | | NoPance wrote: | | I do agree that RB rocks, the default RB sticks suck, and like gurn I hope you don't ever have to buy a $100 professional drumstick. :P |
I do have to admit that I did once pay $60 for a pair of drumsticks. It was for my concert snare drumming when I was in college. They were very heavy for their size (diameter, length, taper) and made of rosewood. They're still my favorite pair of sticks I've ever owned. |
Man that's insane. =) I pay a lot of money for set-of-four marimba mallets, even with my Vic Firth discount, but that's realy about it.
My favorite concert sticks are definitely the Innovative Percussion Jim Campbell and Chris Lamb series sticks. I think IP really understands how to maximize weight/taper for rebound and good quality of sound. I do have a weird set of Tom Gauger sticks for delicate stuff (http://www.vicfirth.com/products/images/TG16.jpg) that I like a lot too.
I have spent a lot of money in implements over the years though =/. I think my stick bag which has 4 sets of four marimba mallets, 3 sets of four vibe, 2 sets of four xylo, pair of plastic bell, pair of brass bell, chime mallets, 5 pairs of timpani mallets, brushes, rutes, timbali sticks, 4-5 sets of concert snare sticks, 2 sets of drumset sticks, 5-6 different types of marching sticks, 4-5 types of marching tenor implements (vegas, mallets, puffies, etc), a set of top bass mallets, and an old pair of cymbal swell mallets. It'd be too depressing to look up what all that cost. :P
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GurnKiller
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Oh man... don't even get me started. Since graduating about 2.5 years ago, I've sold most of my marimba mallets to fellow classmates, but at the peak, I owned 18 sets (yes... sets... 4-mallets) of marimba mallets (all Malletech as my professor was endorsed by them at the time... but alas, no discount), 10 sets (yes... sets... 4-mallets) of xylo mallets, 4 sets of glock mallets, 8 pairs of timpani mallets, probably around 20 pair of concert sticks (mostly Reamer and Cooperman... the rosewood ones were these: http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/33935/concert-snare-drum-sticks - although I paid more for them because they had just come out when I got them at PASIC in 2003), 2 sets of triangle beaters, 2 tambourines, a Black Swamp carbon-fiber snare drum (the carbon-fiber version of this: http://www.steveweissmusic.com/product/26707/black-swamp-snare-drums), 2 sets of bongos, and god knows what else. Let's just say that being a percussionist is NOT cheap! And that's on top of the plethora of music I own.
Regarding the ridiculous amount of marimba and xylo mallets:
I studied marimba with She-e Wu and Leigh Howard Stevens himself, and there was a VERY heavy focus on marimba where I went. I also studied xylo with Alan Abel and Chris Deviney, and they were very particular about which mallets to use on which excerpts. 
Oh, and /end thread hijack
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My original kit had the rockband logo ludwig lacquered sticks.
the replacement had nasty ass unfinished, splinter ridden logoless pale white crapstix.
I brought em to work and stuck in my locker to practice twirlin this weekend.
i caught a splinter in my pants some how , theyre so bad. |
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| GurnKiller wrote: | | I wouldn't call that a problem. I always wanted to get into the WGI stuff when I was younger, but there just aren't really any decent groups in my area (NJ). |
Yeah marching's been my life for the past decade or so. Played in the symphony in college, and play for the Raleigh Symphony, Raleigh Civic Chamber Orchestra, and Triangle Brass Band now but marching's where I have the most fun.
Did DCI division I tenors, and marched PIO tenors in WGI as well which eventually turned into me being the head instructor. It's an absolute blast what WGI has become--really some of the most innovative writing and programming in percussion today.
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| GurnKiller wrote: | | NoPance, check your PMs... let's stop our hijacking. |
Nevar! (ok :P)
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vipergtsr7588
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: The drums have a few issues |
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| GurnKiller wrote: | | vipergtsr7588 wrote: | i played RB for the 1st time yesterday and me having experience on the drums, the 1st thing i noticed is they give you some driftwood shaped like drumsticks.
they are way too light and thin to play well.
I'm not expecting them to include like 100$ professional drumsticks, but at least give me something that feels like real drumsticks.
you can get cheap ones for like 5$
if you have no experience with real drums, then you should know that drumsticks are supposed to be heavier in the back than they are in the front where you strike and they are not supposed to be the same width all the way along it, the back should be thicker and it curves into a point
then there is the placement of the pedal, they place it right under the drums where as in truth it is pushed back a lot more than that, and i ended up having to scoot my chair back a lot just so i could play the pedal without getting a cramp
all in all i think they did a nice job with it all, and i never expected them to get it perfect
so whether there is issues or not i think harmonix is still an incredible company |
If you're paying $100 for "professional" drumsticks, then you may want to check out a different store. Most pairs are between $8-$12. |
like i said you can find a cheap pair of better drumsticks for 5$, which is why i can't figure out why harmonix would put these crappy sticks in RB
and i have never bought a pair of 100$ sticks nor would I since i gave up drums to learn Guitar, but these stores you are talking about with sticks selling for under 20$ mass produce their sticks and they are considered low quality. PROFESSIONAL sticks are made by hand and usually you will not find them offline that easy in the U.S and they usually will go for at least 30$, and you can find pairs that cost well over 100$ too, but usually you are just buying the brand name by then. I would never spend more than 50$ on a pair of sticks myself if i ever start playing percussion again. |
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Bold
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: Re: The drums have a few issues |
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| vipergtsr7588 wrote: | | PROFESSIONAL sticks are made by hand and usually you will not find them offline that easy in the U.S and they usually will go for at least 30$, and you can find pairs that cost well over 100$ too |
While I'm sure one could find over-priced versions of just about any product (including drumsticks), I suspect the majority of professional percussionists do NOT use hand-made drumsticks which cost over $100. In my experience, most professional orchestral percussionists use plain ol' Gauger sticks or even SD-1 Generals (or Boleros, etc.). Granted, they typically go to great pains to insure that the sticks are matched in timbre and pitch, but they're still using machine-crafted sticks in the $10-20 range. In addition, your description of drumsticks in your initial post is rather unusual; I've rarely seen any sticks (let alone "professional" sticks) such as you describe, with a thicker heel and a continuous taper; that sounds more like a pipeband stick, which would hardly be described as a "professional" drumstick. That you're not even a drummer doesn't add much support to your claims.
Anyway, that's my $0.02 as a guy with a college degree in percussion. You can add my opinin to the two other dissenting opinions in this thread posted by 1) college percussion majors and 2) professional percussion instructors. (Side note: kudos to you guys who studied with LH Stevens and/or performed with WGI groups--I'm a six-year veteran of the drum corps activity myself. I'm looking forward to picking up Rock Band!  ) |
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