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Lasfas
Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 1005 Location: South Phoenix, AZ.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, how about this...
Release it to those who take the time to PM you for the Program.
I don't get what the problem is, it is a tool, and a tool should be used. Those who want to use it should, and those who don't want to will not.
You would also need the Skill of playing the song and squeezing to get a high Leaderboard score.
EDIT: Also...
SmugDucklings's Test Path Description wrote: | Algorithm needs tweaking, but it's close to a reasonable path. |
It probably won't be an Optimal path any way!
As I said earlier:
It's like taking down all the TTFAF help Threads, because it is a Skill to know how to play the song, and you need the skill to know how to play the Intro.
Can someone take down this analogy? I just want to clear it out of my head.
EDIT: Metalteeeh wrote: | You can not post videos of your FC's online, then say that people need to learn to path themselves, when your video IS the optimal path. |
This, as well. _________________
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Metalteeth
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1131 Location: Columbus, OH
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xeroxgp
Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 1682 Location: Fargo, ND
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with the poll, is that we'd already know the answer. I'm sure the maj. of Scorehero would welcome this, because the pathers are the minority, and would really be the only people who object, besides a few others that believe pathing is part of the game and should not be compromised (myself included).
I had another point, but I forgot. I will add it here if I remember. Oh, I remembered. I've already said it, but I agree that this program should not be released. I'm a moderate/good player here on Scorehero. I actually would love to have paths at my fingertips, it would make the game fun for me, but the reason I side against it is because I would feel cheap, I think it is a skill.
Like Sully said, I think, was something along the lines of, "what's next, making bots to FC the game for us?" Well, what if that IS next, at least to some extent. I'm sure everyone will agree, that an easy song with a hard solo sucks to play, because you know you can FC it, but you just need practice on the solo. So what if there was a program that would FC the easy stuff, so that you could practice the solo, and not worry about messing up in the easy stuff that you normally FC.
Ok, so that analogy made sense when I first thought about it, but now it seems ridiculous. I'll leave it up for people to consider, but I guess it's not a valid point.
This is a very interesting/controversial topic. _________________
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Strykerx
Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 3110 Location: Pants
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, no. Just because Sully posts a video doesn't mean it has the optimal path. If you'll notice, he doesn't post every song. In fact a lot of his aren't optimal at all. I'm not seeing your point. He chooses to upload those if he wants to. Its different than having every single perfect path available with a single click. _________________
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ES942
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 3445 Location: Snalbans
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Chil wrote: | The healthcare one just makes no sense, since you are not giving up your score to someone else, just the way you used to get it (assuming that your path was optimal in the first place). |
How does it not make sense? You're sharing your path, not giving it away. It makes perfect sense. _________________
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lordryan29
Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 632 Location: Southern New Jeresy
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yen24 wrote: | Release it. Make Rock Band a game of skill again, not a game of having a better path. |
X2 _________________
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Rickles
Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 1441 Location: The people in white coats won't tell me!
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Lasfas wrote: | Okay, how about this...
Release it to those who take the time to PM you for the Program.
I don't get what the problem is, it is a tool, and a tool should be used. Those who want to use it should, and those who don't want to will not.
You would also need the Skill of playing the song and squeezing to get a high Leaderboard score.
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DHM078
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SilverSwift
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 2057
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Lasfas wrote: | Obviously the Best players want it not released, so they could keep their First place/High Rank |
Disagree. I'm not a great player, nor a great pather, and I don't want this released. Numerous reasons, most of which have already been brought up by Sully. However, I will implore that if this program is released, please please keep it to solo play only. If this also applies to 2-man, 3-man and full band pathing, then an enormous amount of fun (in my opinion) is removed from the game, especially for teams of inferior skill looking to dethrone some of the better teams out there, through thinking about strategic deployment as well as outright skill. I know that flies against some of the points that you guys are bringing up, and obviously I respect that, but this is just my opinion.
I wouldn't object strenuously if it was released for solo play only, but I really wouldn't want it released for any band configurations. However, and not sure if too many people have said this, enormous kudos to the OP for making the program, and more importantly, raising the issue with the community first, rather than releasing instantly. _________________
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Rickles
Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 1441 Location: The people in white coats won't tell me!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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SilverSwift wrote: | Lasfas wrote: | Obviously the Best players want it not released, so they could keep their First place/High Rank |
Disagree. I'm not a great player, nor a great pather, and I don't want this released. Numerous reasons, most of which have already been brought up by Sully. However, I will implore that if this program is released, please please keep it to solo play only. If this also applies to 2-man, 3-man and full band pathing, then an enormous amount of fun (in my opinion) is removed from the game, especially for teams of inferior skill looking to dethrone some of the better teams out there, through thinking about strategic deployment as well as outright skill. I know that flies against some of the points that you guys are bringing up, and obviously I respect that, but this is just my opinion.
I wouldn't object strenuously if it was released for solo play only, but I really wouldn't want it released for any band configurations. However, and not sure if too many people have said this, enormous kudos to the OP for making the program, and more importantly, raising the issue with the community first, rather than releasing instantly. |
I totally agree. Optimal band paths from a computer wouldn't be so good. All I want is single player guitar. That's all. Full band pathing is something I'd rather let people do themselves. _________________
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lordryan29
Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 632 Location: Southern New Jeresy
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Rickles wrote: | SilverSwift wrote: | Lasfas wrote: | Obviously the Best players want it not released, so they could keep their First place/High Rank |
Disagree. I'm not a great player, nor a great pather, and I don't want this released. Numerous reasons, most of which have already been brought up by Sully. However, I will implore that if this program is released, please please keep it to solo play only. If this also applies to 2-man, 3-man and full band pathing, then an enormous amount of fun (in my opinion) is removed from the game, especially for teams of inferior skill looking to dethrone some of the better teams out there, through thinking about strategic deployment as well as outright skill. I know that flies against some of the points that you guys are bringing up, and obviously I respect that, but this is just my opinion.
I wouldn't object strenuously if it was released for solo play only, but I really wouldn't want it released for any band configurations. However, and not sure if too many people have said this, enormous kudos to the OP for making the program, and more importantly, raising the issue with the community first, rather than releasing instantly. |
I totally agree. Optimal band paths from a computer wouldn't be so good. All I want is single player guitar. That's all. Full band pathing is something I'd rather let people do themselves. |
Yes, this does seem logical. When it comes to Rock Band it should be more about the BAND not about a solo player. Let the bands be strategic with their paths and for the people that play solo, it should come to pure skill.
I stand corrected, I now disagree with my earlier post in this thread, hence I do disagree with myself. _________________
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ES942
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 3445 Location: Snalbans
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Rickles wrote: | I totally agree. Optimal band paths from a computer wouldn't be so good. All I want is single player guitar. That's all. Full band pathing is something I'd rather let people do themselves. |
You'd rather let them do it themselves because you don't want it. What if all I wanted was full band paths? Then I'd let people do single player on their own. This is an issue that's impossible to have both sides agree on. It's pretty much up to the OP at this point. _________________
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BengalCP09
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 288
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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how much skill does it take to accurately recreate a chart? So if you look at something that's done via computer, recreate it in the game and come in say... 5th. Are you proud of that? Send a screencap to your friends that don't know your secret. You'll be fucking awesome!!!! _________________
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BengalCP09
Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 288
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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and I am definitely not an elite player worshipper. I was disgusted when I looked at a certain player's scores and they were only entering in FCs. Like a -1 wasn't even good enough to be worthy of being entered. Like they couldn't tolerated the idea of someone seeing that got a -1 on a song no matter how difficult the song is. And one of the notes for a song, which is hard, that he FC'd yet somehow only managed to come in 2nd said "will re FC for 1st later" like no one else had any business having a score in 1st place.
I hate that type of arrogance. Moreso than "sightread." But at least they did their own work. _________________
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Deathblooms51
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 1686 Location: Toledo, Ohio
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I understand that pathing takes skills and all, but regardless most (if not all) optimal paths will be released eventually anyways.
Why are people so up in arms about this? It's a god damn video game. _________________
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