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Carungi
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Kawigi, I'm going through pathing Today right now. When my version of the path is complete, may I compare mine with yours? I want to make sure I'm using this program to it's full functionality.
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LaserEyess
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Interesting glitch Kawigi. Your drum fill points are if the drummer has a 4x combo, even if the song just started. So, in Bodhisattva for example, I have a measure worth 700 points, and a drum fill worth 800.
Needless to say, that isn't right.
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Kawigi
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| LaserEyess wrote: | Interesting glitch Kawigi. Your drum fill points are if the drummer has a 4x combo, even if the song just started. So, in Bodhisattva for example, I have a measure worth 700 points, and a drum fill worth 800.
Needless to say, that isn't right. |
Bad example - the drummer does have a full streak multiplier by the time that fill comes :-)
What you're actually seeing here is that the notes in the fill that are at the beginning of the next measure are counting as fill cover. Almost all fills end at the start of a measure, and so that most of the fills only appear to be in one measure instead of two, I just move the point cover from that measure (typically 200 points) to the previous measure. Just saving you some Xs.
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CraZy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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hey man, i was wondering if it would be possible to implement the "fill timer" (as i like to call it) into your program. what i mean by this is the little number that appears after all the fills in ajanta's charts, which tells how much time was between the last note of OD and the first note of fill. this is useful in knowing whether or not a fill will show up. i've been putting it in b hand, but if i can increase my laziness by having someone else do it for me, that would be awesome >_<
but seriously, i think it would be useful for everyone. only issue i see is that it would mess up the whole format of the spreadsheet. currently, i put that info at the last column, after "sum of 12" (column T). obviously IF you implemented it, you can put it wherever you want, and whatever is easiest for you, but just for reference, thats where i have it in my paths (i have one path up on Office Workspace, Greatest Man That Ever Lived, (called greatestman CfB), you can see how i have it there.)
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p34nUt
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meister 
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| CraZy wrote: | hey man, i was wondering if it would be possible to implement the "fill timer" (as i like to call it) into your program. what i mean by this is the little number that appears after all the fills in ajanta's charts, which tells how much time was between the last note of OD and the first note of fill. this is useful in knowing whether or not a fill will show up. i've been putting it in b hand, but if i can increase my laziness by having someone else do it for me, that would be awesome >_<
but seriously, i think it would be useful for everyone. only issue i see is that it would mess up the whole format of the spreadsheet. currently, i put that info at the last column, after "sum of 12" (column T). obviously IF you implemented it, you can put it wherever you want, and whatever is easiest for you, but just for reference, thats where i have it in my paths (i have one path up on Office Workspace, Bullets and Guns i believe, you can see how i have it there.)
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p34nUt |
I don't think that is really necessary, if you're making a path you should be looking at the chart anyway so you'll already see it.. and thanks for saying that, I didn't know what those numbers meant lol
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CraZy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| meister wrote: | | CraZy wrote: | hey man, ...
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I don't think that is really necessary, if you're making a path you should be looking at the chart anyway so you'll already see it.. and thanks for saying that, I didn't know what those numbers meant lol |
well, you're right, but you can save alot of time looking at the chart just by looking at a column. idk, it seemed like a reasonable suggestion. we'll see what he says, haha.
and yea, those numbers are great, but since we dont EXACTLY know (or do we?) what the fill time for RB2 is yet, its still tough to determine. (if we DO know, please let ME know, haha)
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Kawigi
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| CraZy wrote: | | meister wrote: | | CraZy wrote: | hey man, ...
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p34nUt |
I don't think that is really necessary, if you're making a path you should be looking at the chart anyway so you'll already see it.. and thanks for saying that, I didn't know what those numbers meant lol |
well, you're right, but you can save alot of time looking at the chart just by looking at a column. idk, it seemed like a reasonable suggestion. we'll see what he says, haha.
and yea, those numbers are great, but since we dont EXACTLY know (or do we?) what the fill time for RB2 is yet, its still tough to determine. (if we DO know, please let ME know, haha)
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The fill timing is approximately 1.2 seconds on expert in RB2 (my original research with Blinkone came up with 1.22 seconds, but then we learned that calibration can change that  ). The interesting part of adding fill timings to the pathstats files would actually be if I added them for unison bonuses where guitar or bass ends the OD phrase after drums. Otherwise I think looking at the charts is acceptable. Either way I may consider adding it in the future. Maybe when I get around to adding something for vocal activation windows :-)
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CraZy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Kawigi wrote: |
The fill timing is approximately 1.2 seconds on expert in RB2 (my original research with Blinkone came up with 1.22 seconds, but then we learned that calibration can change that ). The interesting part of adding fill timings to the pathstats files would actually be if I added them for unison bonuses where guitar or bass ends the OD phrase after drums. Otherwise I think looking at the charts is acceptable. Either way I may consider adding it in the future. Maybe when I get around to adding something for vocal activation windows :-) |
consider is good enough for me =D
and thanks for the info on fill timing, good to know. i know its affected by BNS, but i didnt know about calibration. well, i base it off 1.5 usually , to be safe. and when its really close, nothing a quick test run can't handle. hehe
thanks again,
p34nUt
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beingmused 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Even lower than that - even trying to hit the OD late, I've gotten fills of 1.14 seconds to appear consistently without BNS on. (and it was the same way for my bandmates). 1.15 is the brightline I use; anything above that I assume works without even checking.
| CraZy wrote: | | Kawigi wrote: |
The fill timing is approximately 1.2 seconds on expert in RB2 (my original research with Blinkone came up with 1.22 seconds, but then we learned that calibration can change that ). The interesting part of adding fill timings to the pathstats files would actually be if I added them for unison bonuses where guitar or bass ends the OD phrase after drums. Otherwise I think looking at the charts is acceptable. Either way I may consider adding it in the future. Maybe when I get around to adding something for vocal activation windows :-) |
consider is good enough for me =D
and thanks for the info on fill timing, good to know. i know its affected by BNS, but i didnt know about calibration. well, i base it off 1.5 usually , to be safe. and when its really close, nothing a quick test run can't handle. hehe
thanks again,
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Kawigi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| beingmused wrote: | | Even lower than that - even trying to hit the OD late, I've gotten fills of 1.14 seconds to appear consistently without BNS on. (and it was the same way for my bandmates). 1.15 is the brightline I use; anything above that I assume works without even checking. |
I'd expect anything down to around 1.15 to be able to show up (by hitting the OD early) in single-player, although you might get an invisible fill, but if someone wanted to research if/how this is different in band play, let me know, and I'll get you a list of fills to look at.
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DreJ1212
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meister
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Kawigi wrote: | Sometimes I'll also just copy starting at the second row, so that the measure numbers line up with the row numbers in Excel.
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if thats what you meant
Oh Kawigi I guess I didn't really learn how to use this the best xD I tried repathing PDA and got about 100k less than my original path my old way lol, I guess for league songs I'll have to path each song twice 
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Kawigi
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| DreJ1212 wrote: | | I dont know if its just me, but all of the txt files seem to be a measure ahead of ajanata's charts. Was that done on purpose? Or am I missing something. |
The measure numbers are exactly the same as ajanata's charts (or should be, there used to be a couple of charts that put measure boundaries in the wrong place, but as far as I know they're all correct now in that respect).
What you're probably seeing is just a convention of mine - I note where overdrive is based on where the last note of it is, because that's the point in time where the overdrive is awarded. If it's close to a measure boundary, I note it as being in that measure, which should be read as "at or near the beginning of this measure." So, if you see "drum od" in measure 43, then the end of an OD phrase is close to the beginning of measure 43. Most of the time, the actual OD phrase is in measure 42.
If the end of an OD phrase isn't near any phrase boundary, I'll notate it as "[instrument] od -.5" in the measure after, indicating that it's around half a measure before this point.
The same convention is used for "drum act" notes. The activation starts near the beginning of the measure that the "drum act" is in, but the fill occurs in the measures that have numberss in the 4th column.
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DreJ1212
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| Kawigi wrote: | | DreJ1212 wrote: | | I dont know if its just me, but all of the txt files seem to be a measure ahead of ajanata's charts. Was that done on purpose? Or am I missing something. |
The measure numbers are exactly the same as ajanata's charts (or should be, there used to be a couple of charts that put measure boundaries in the wrong place, but as far as I know they're all correct now in that respect).
What you're probably seeing is just a convention of mine - I note where overdrive is based on where the last note of it is, because that's the point in time where the overdrive is awarded. If it's close to a measure boundary, I note it as being in that measure, which should be read as "at or near the beginning of this measure." So, if you see "drum od" in measure 43, then the end of an OD phrase is close to the beginning of measure 43. Most of the time, the actual OD phrase is in measure 42.
If the end of an OD phrase isn't near any phrase boundary, I'll notate it as "[instrument] od -.5" in the measure after, indicating that it's around half a measure before this point.
The same convention is used for "drum act" notes. The activation starts near the beginning of the measure that the "drum act" is in, but the fill occurs in the measures that have numberss in the 4th column. |
I had a feeling thats what it was, but I wasn't sure. Oh and another thing. On your Rob the prez txt file, there is a vocals OD missing. There are 2 at the beginning before the first unison bonus, in your txt file there is only one.
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Kawigi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| DreJ1212 wrote: | | Kawigi wrote: | | DreJ1212 wrote: | | I dont know if its just me, but all of the txt files seem to be a measure ahead of ajanata's charts. Was that done on purpose? Or am I missing something. |
The measure numbers are exactly the same as ajanata's charts (or should be, there used to be a couple of charts that put measure boundaries in the wrong place, but as far as I know they're all correct now in that respect).
What you're probably seeing is just a convention of mine - I note where overdrive is based on where the last note of it is, because that's the point in time where the overdrive is awarded. If it's close to a measure boundary, I note it as being in that measure, which should be read as "at or near the beginning of this measure." So, if you see "drum od" in measure 43, then the end of an OD phrase is close to the beginning of measure 43. Most of the time, the actual OD phrase is in measure 42.
If the end of an OD phrase isn't near any phrase boundary, I'll notate it as "[instrument] od -.5" in the measure after, indicating that it's around half a measure before this point.
The same convention is used for "drum act" notes. The activation starts near the beginning of the measure that the "drum act" is in, but the fill occurs in the measures that have numberss in the 4th column. |
I had a feeling thats what it was, but I wasn't sure. Oh and another thing. On your Rob the prez txt file, there is a vocals OD missing. There are 2 at the beginning before the first unison bonus, in your txt file there is only one. |
The second one is on the same line as the unison bonus.
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