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BriGuy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1894 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: RB2 Strat Dissected - Secrets! Booby Traps! (big pics!) |
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Here's my follow up to my RB1 Strat Dissected thread to show you the inner workings of this beautiful piece of hardware. Even though it may look almost the same from the outside, they have overhauled almost every inch of the Strat. It looks like they have learned a lot from the first 4 models of Strat and hopefully this one will prove to be solid and reliable.
Here's the full view:
It's got the nice new sunburst finish, and dark wood grain look to the neck. You calso can't see it very well, but there are the two calibration sensors just to the left of the start/select buttons and there is a raised rim around the Start button to help prevent mistaken pausing mid song while reaching for the Select button OD.
The neck is detachable this time by pressing in this button on the head. This pic was lovingly stolen from Dakvac's pic thread who also tipped me off to the hidden screw in the neck. Thanks!
Here's a pic of the back with the new and improved battery cover which can now be opened with your finger and doesn't require a screwdriver like the RB1 Strats (duh!) Also on the lower right edge is the new port for an OD activation pedal. The standard drum pedal can be used but the curly chord makes it awkward if you are standing up.
Here's a shot of the main guts. The newer style tilt sensors are in there, just like the RB1 wireless. You can see the main differences in the next pics.
Here's the new strum unit. It is similar to RB1's v3 with the magnetic sensors and sponge impact guards. The thing that makes the big difference is the small black rectangular impact pad to the left of the sponge. This simple addition was enough to make the Strats stum feel a lot more substantial.
Here's the underside of the Start/Select/Dpad board. The newest additions are the light and sound sensors. The light sensor looks like a clear christmas light bulb and only the very thin tip sticks through the hole in the body. The sound sensor is the grey thing with silver border just below the board. It slips right into the round spot in the body and is held in place by the grey foam thing on the board.
This is the main circuit board. I removed the two sets of plugs from the battery pack so I could take the pics. Those are the 2 pin and 3 pin plug spots in the middle. The 5 pin plug on the upper left is unused. The fret button connections are on the right in two sets of 6 connections with one below the other. They both have 5 leads and 1 ground each. They cannot be separated and switched around (like the low tech RB1 solo swap mod)
Taking the back of the neck off is extra tricky this time because after you remove the screws from the back, there is one more screw that is hidden underneath the red (or yellow) button. You can remove the fret buttons by pulling from the side, they will come off without much force. I don't see much need in this screw. If you plan on opening up the neck more than once or twice, I would skip putting this one back in because removing the ret fret like this many times may damage the new silencer strips (ooooh!)
Speaking of which, these are the secret to the new quieter fret buttons. They have added a thin rubbary ring around the fret buttons and adhesive strip along the back side of the button casings. The ring helps to mute and soften pressing the buttons in and the strips help to mute the click once you release the buttons. Brilliant! _________________
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Deathblooms51
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 1686 Location: Toledo, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: |
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It's like porn for us scoreheroians.
Thanks for the pics _________________
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Bu11ze1
Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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hrmm, so its impossible to swap the fret sets? not sure how i feel about that, was a nice mod i used for the tough solo's. |
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BriGuy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1894 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Bu11ze1 wrote: | hrmm, so its impossible to swap the fret sets? not sure how i feel about that, was a nice mod i used for the tough solo's. |
Actually it is still possible in two different ways, it is just a little bit harder than the super-low tech way people did it before.
#1- If you look at the pic, you can pull out each connection by pulling each white from the black union and swap them with the corresponding one from the set below. I haven't checked this yet, but it would make sense that they would be in the same order. There is still no cutting or soldering involved, but this is still 12 connections that need to be swapped in the proper order.
#2- The other option is to cut each wire and solder (or twist and tape) to the corresponding one on the other set.
Bonus#3- Go way over the top like I did and get a 12 position dip switch so you can swap the solo button control on the fly. _________________
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pkeistler
Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 155 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: Re: RB2 Strat Dissected - Secrets! Booby Traps! (big pics!) |
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BriGuy wrote: |
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So I've been somewhat annoyed with the fret button noise for a while now, and after seeing this picture I was inspired to try and duplicate it on my gen 4 wired guitar.
Well after finally getting the neck apart, (which I think was actually glued together at the tip) I noticed that the design of the fret buttons is completely different. Rather than simply snapping in, there is a small plastic plate screwed to the post on the button that keeps it from falling off.
This obviously means that I cannot copy what Harmonix did exactly, but more importantly, I'm wondering if everyone is aware of this different type of button. If you try to pry this type of button off from the front, you're going to break some shiz.
I can upload some pics later if you're interested. Perhaps this needs to be added to your guitar dissection thread. At least as a warning about removing the buttons from this type of guitar. _________________
Actually, I am a rocket scientist.
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BriGuy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1894 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Re: RB2 Strat Dissected - Secrets! Booby Traps! (big pics!) |
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pkeistler wrote: | So I've been somewhat annoyed with the fret button noise for a while now, and after seeing this picture I was inspired to try and duplicate it on my gen 4 wired guitar.
Well after finally getting the neck apart, (which I think was actually glued together at the tip) I noticed that the design of the fret buttons is completely different. Rather than simply snapping in, there is a small plastic plate screwed to the post on the button that keeps it from falling off.
This obviously means that I cannot copy what Harmonix did exactly, but more importantly, I'm wondering if everyone is aware of this different type of button. If you try to pry this type of button off from the front, you're going to break some shiz.
I can upload some pics later if you're interested. Perhaps this needs to be added to your guitar dissection thread. At least as a warning about removing the buttons from this type of guitar. |
Thanks for the offer, but I've already got detailed pics that I will be adding to the original RB dissected post. I just recieved a few guitars from my boss after starting my job as a RB bar night event host at www.i-vie.net and one of them was a 4th gen Strat. I was amazed at how much different many things were including the fact that the screws and screw holes are smaller (I can't use my electric screwdriver, its too wide) and especially how radically different the fret buttons are.
I'll be gettint those pics up soon, but thanks for the heads up! _________________
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baylxr
Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 309 Location: Oakland, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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overall great thread.. i was wondering if/when you would make this
a couple things you may or may not want to add:
*the whammy bar doesn't hit the body of the guitar anymore like it used to on the RB1 strat
*the back of the neck is slightly textured as opposed to the completely smooth back of the RB1 strat... not sure if theres anyway to take a picture of this but you could mention it b/c it is definitely noticeable when you first pick up the new strat _________________
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Bu11ze1
Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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BriGuy wrote: | Bu11ze1 wrote: | hrmm, so its impossible to swap the fret sets? not sure how i feel about that, was a nice mod i used for the tough solo's. |
Actually it is still possible in two different ways, it is just a little bit harder than the super-low tech way people did it before.
#1- If you look at the pic, you can pull out each connection by pulling each white from the black union and swap them with the corresponding one from the set below. I haven't checked this yet, but it would make sense that they would be in the same order. There is still no cutting or soldering involved, but this is still 12 connections that need to be swapped in the proper order.
#2- The other option is to cut each wire and solder (or twist and tape) to the corresponding one on the other set.
Bonus#3- Go way over the top like I did and get a 12 position dip switch so you can swap the solo button control on the fly. |
are the wires long enough to just do a swap like you suggested in option 1? Won't have my strat until sunday (ps3) |
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Kered
Joined: 24 Sep 2008 Posts: 36
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: RB2 Strat Dissected - Secrets! Booby Traps! (big pics!) |
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BriGuy wrote: | I just recieved a few guitars from my boss after starting my job as a RB bar night event host at www.i-vie.net |
F...fuck yooouuu! That is so cool! How much do you make? |
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BriGuy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1894 Location: Boston
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: RB2 Strat Dissected - Secrets! Booby Traps! (big pics!) |
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Bu11ze1 wrote: | are the wires long enough to just do a swap like you suggested in option 1? Won't have my strat until sunday (ps3) |
Yeah, it should be no problem. I think I'll open it up again tonight to confirm that this can be done. I'll post pics too.
Kered wrote: | BriGuy wrote: | I just recieved a few guitars from my boss after starting my job as a RB bar night event host at www.i-vie.net |
F...fuck yooouuu! That is so cool! How much do you make? |
Does it really matter? I get paid to play Rock Band. It's really not about the money, but it's less than half of what I make at my full time job.
Plus, depending on the venue, I also get a bar tab for food and beer. _________________
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DeanHartley
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 308 Location: pa
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Looks a lot different than the rb1 strat. _________________
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echorocks
Joined: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 224 Location: Massachussetts
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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cool but i cant get it till christmas i wish i was high tech i would make a lot of mods so my guitar _________________
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malklavious
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 94
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the pics, BriGuy!
How is the tilt sensor? Does it still have the reset lag that the wireless gen-4 has from the ball-tilt sensor? Good to see it's the same board design however, will make doing my mercury switch mod the same. _________________
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english724
Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 7
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible to swap out the strut bar from one RB 2 strat into another RB 2 strat without HMX finding out about it? I ask because I am on my 4th guitar, and my 3rd one has a great strum bar but sticky buttons, and the 4th has great button but a mushier strum bar. grrr.
Or would it be easier to move the button panel from my 4th guitar to my 3rd? |
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BriGuy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1894 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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english724 wrote: | Is it possible to swap out the strut bar from one RB 2 strat into another RB 2 strat without HMX finding out about it? I ask because I am on my 4th guitar, and my 3rd one has a great strum bar but sticky buttons, and the 4th has great button but a mushier strum bar. grrr.
Or would it be easier to move the button panel from my 4th guitar to my 3rd? |
In theory, yes you could. What makes me a bit wary about it though is that you said the one has a mushier strum bar. As far as I know, all of the new RB2 Strats have exactly the same strum bar mechanism. If you decide to attempt this, please take pics of both strum bar units and look to see if there is any real difference. Make sure everything is screwed in tight on the mushy one. It might be all in your head, so ask someone else if they can tell the difference. It might not even be the strum bar itself, but the contacts in (on) the body.
So to get the desired effect, your other option is probably easier to swap out the neck.
In either case, double check that everything looks mechanically the same. Sometimes the littlest difference in model can be a problem. If you do spot any differences, post your findings here with clear, detailed pics.
I wouldn't normally advise people try to do this kind of thing and try to sneak it back to the company, because #1 its kind of shady, and #2 there is a chance you will mess it up and the return is rejected.
Proceed with caution. _________________
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