What are "worthy" multitasking FC's?

[socialskills]

[socialskills]

[MrMauve]

They're Red Hot would be moderately impressive too :cheektongue:

My UK copy of Rock Band 2 arrives tomorrow. What's new?

[MrMauve]

They're Red Hot would be moderately impressive too :cheektongue:

My UK copy of Rock Band 2 arrives tomorrow. What's new?

[SilverSwift]

Well, since RB2 is now out...how about songs from there? I haven't even properly attempted vocals yet, let alone multi-tasking...but what do others think? One song that jumps out at me immediately (aside from the usual insane songs, Painkiller et al) is Spoonman. I knew the song before singing it, and that thing 88%'d me right off the bat, ouch! Plus the guitar part is by no means easy (though extremely fun).

I know socialskills and sentimentalgeek have got a few voxtar FCs already...what do we think, guys?
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[SilverSwift]

Well, since RB2 is now out...how about songs from there? I haven't even properly attempted vocals yet, let alone multi-tasking...but what do others think? One song that jumps out at me immediately (aside from the usual insane songs, Painkiller et al) is Spoonman. I knew the song before singing it, and that thing 88%'d me right off the bat, ouch! Plus the guitar part is by no means easy (though extremely fun).

I know socialskills and sentimentalgeek have got a few voxtar FCs already...what do we think, guys?
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[sentimentalgeek]

Ooooh, one of my favorite topics of discussion got bumped! Be prepared for a novel.

So RB2. I think something that's important to keep in mind is that there are, at least imo, a lot more songs that are difficult on guitar in RB2. In RB1 we really only had GG&HT. This time around we have Bodhisattva, Panic Attack, Battery, Visions, Painkiller, etc. I actually haven't played most of these songs on voxtar yet. I'm still working my way down the setlist.

But that's not really what this thread is about anyway. The songs that are hard to FC on guitar or vocals alone will be hard to double-FC anyway, and what we're interested in are songs that are more difficult than either of their counterparts would lead you to believe, right? So here are some suggestions from me.

Girl's Not Grey: Lolwut? Well, don't mock it before you try it. The vocals are pretty easy compared to most. The guitar on its own, mainly a chordfest with a slightly tricky rhythm and fingering. But put them together and watch your combo break...and break... and break. Perhaps it gets a lot easier with repetition but boy did it take me by surprise the first time I tried it. On a side note, nillacocajola has a -1 voxtar run of this, which I think is pretty darn impressive.

Our Truth: This song is interesting to play on pretty much all instruments, I think. The guitar part did not strike me as particularly difficult when I played it alone (though the rhythm is funky, and there are some annoying trills). But again, put them together and wow, another song that I was not expecting to be as challenging to voxtar as it turned out to be. Pretty sure ES has double-FCed this already, but...he's insane.

Supreme Girl: Yuck. When you start playing this on voxtar it will seem pretty straightforward, but then the chorus comes, and then the chorus comes again, and then there's that lovely ending! I really like how all the tricky strummy+hopo parts happen to coincide with the vocal parts where you're constantly running out of breath. Thanks, The Sterns! :P

Down With The Sickness: On guitar there's no crazy solo, so really the only hard part is getting the fingering down for those chord switches, which I can do when I'm on guitar alone. But add the singing part in and suddenly my fingers are at a total loss of what to do during the verses. Again, I think I've only voxtarred this once so maybe it just takes a few more attempts to click.

Chop Suey/Pinball Wizard: Very similar issues to Down With The Sickness, except the guitar parts are faster and imo trickier, and I suck more at them on guitar. Again, there's no crazy solo so it just comes down to coordination.

I don't think I've tried Spoonman yet, so no comment there.

What you've probably noticed is that I'm much better at vocals than I am at guitar, so the songs I tend to find difficult to voxtar are ones where the guitar part suddenly becomes a lot harder for me to grok when I add singing. Maybe people who rock the plastar and are not as strong on vox have the opposite problem, where their hands/fingers know what to do but their vocal control goes out of whack? I'd be especially interested to hear which songs they find tricky, but honestly I'm happy to hear opinions from anyone who wasn't totally put off by my wall o' text. :P
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[sentimentalgeek]

Ooooh, one of my favorite topics of discussion got bumped! Be prepared for a novel.

So RB2. I think something that's important to keep in mind is that there are, at least imo, a lot more songs that are difficult on guitar in RB2. In RB1 we really only had GG&HT. This time around we have Bodhisattva, Panic Attack, Battery, Visions, Painkiller, etc. I actually haven't played most of these songs on voxtar yet. I'm still working my way down the setlist.

But that's not really what this thread is about anyway. The songs that are hard to FC on guitar or vocals alone will be hard to double-FC anyway, and what we're interested in are songs that are more difficult than either of their counterparts would lead you to believe, right? So here are some suggestions from me.

Girl's Not Grey: Lolwut? Well, don't mock it before you try it. The vocals are pretty easy compared to most. The guitar on its own, mainly a chordfest with a slightly tricky rhythm and fingering. But put them together and watch your combo break...and break... and break. Perhaps it gets a lot easier with repetition but boy did it take me by surprise the first time I tried it. On a side note, nillacocajola has a -1 voxtar run of this, which I think is pretty darn impressive.

Our Truth: This song is interesting to play on pretty much all instruments, I think. The guitar part did not strike me as particularly difficult when I played it alone (though the rhythm is funky, and there are some annoying trills). But again, put them together and wow, another song that I was not expecting to be as challenging to voxtar as it turned out to be. Pretty sure ES has double-FCed this already, but...he's insane.

Supreme Girl: Yuck. When you start playing this on voxtar it will seem pretty straightforward, but then the chorus comes, and then the chorus comes again, and then there's that lovely ending! I really like how all the tricky strummy+hopo parts happen to coincide with the vocal parts where you're constantly running out of breath. Thanks, The Sterns! :P

Down With The Sickness: On guitar there's no crazy solo, so really the only hard part is getting the fingering down for those chord switches, which I can do when I'm on guitar alone. But add the singing part in and suddenly my fingers are at a total loss of what to do during the verses. Again, I think I've only voxtarred this once so maybe it just takes a few more attempts to click.

Chop Suey/Pinball Wizard: Very similar issues to Down With The Sickness, except the guitar parts are faster and imo trickier, and I suck more at them on guitar. Again, there's no crazy solo so it just comes down to coordination.

I don't think I've tried Spoonman yet, so no comment there.

What you've probably noticed is that I'm much better at vocals than I am at guitar, so the songs I tend to find difficult to voxtar are ones where the guitar part suddenly becomes a lot harder for me to grok when I add singing. Maybe people who rock the plastar and are not as strong on vox have the opposite problem, where their hands/fingers know what to do but their vocal control goes out of whack? I'd be especially interested to hear which songs they find tricky, but honestly I'm happy to hear opinions from anyone who wasn't totally put off by my wall o' text. :P
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[nillacocajola]

I'm glad someone bumped this. I've been waiting to get in on this one.

Being more challenged by Vocals, my view on "worthy" voxtar FCs may be a bit different than some that SG has mentioned above. Here's a list of songs I've attempted and have trouble with, in less detail than I'd like to offer because I'm in a bit of a rush:

Teenage Riot: I'm not so good at the vocal track on this one and I find it challenging enough, but the guitar part is packed with fast, quickly changing chords and offers a hefty challenge to FC by itself. Not only that, but the length factor will easily wear you down - this song goes for 7 minutes and, after the intro, never really slows down.

Supreme Girl: Read SG's post above. The chorus is terribly tricky, and the ending is worse - you'll be short of breath and find trouble keeping up with the strumming if you're not careful.

Spoonman: Oh, the most painful and meticulous Vocal track I've encountered thus far... which only gets worse when you match it up with a slightly tricky chord-change fest in the verses, and a tough solo that's a huge chokepoint. Not a very voxtar-friendly song, IMO.

EDIT: Our Truth: Let's put it this way... I failed. Three times.

Those have been the three toughest so far. I found Painkiller to be quite easy, with the vocal part being "overtiered," IMO. The guitar part is the only thing holding back a voxtar FC.

And as for Girl's Not Grey, I actually DID Double-FC that, but I scored lower than I did on my -1 run, so it's not shown on the leaderboards. Still pretty difficult, though. As for what you said in your last paragraph, SG, I think it definitely works the other way around for me - I pretty consistently FC the Guitar parts, but I lose my pitch very quickly if I run into a really tricky part.

More discussion later, though!

[nillacocajola]

I'm glad someone bumped this. I've been waiting to get in on this one.

Being more challenged by Vocals, my view on "worthy" voxtar FCs may be a bit different than some that SG has mentioned above. Here's a list of songs I've attempted and have trouble with, in less detail than I'd like to offer because I'm in a bit of a rush:

Teenage Riot: I'm not so good at the vocal track on this one and I find it challenging enough, but the guitar part is packed with fast, quickly changing chords and offers a hefty challenge to FC by itself. Not only that, but the length factor will easily wear you down - this song goes for 7 minutes and, after the intro, never really slows down.

Supreme Girl: Read SG's post above. The chorus is terribly tricky, and the ending is worse - you'll be short of breath and find trouble keeping up with the strumming if you're not careful.

Spoonman: Oh, the most painful and meticulous Vocal track I've encountered thus far... which only gets worse when you match it up with a slightly tricky chord-change fest in the verses, and a tough solo that's a huge chokepoint. Not a very voxtar-friendly song, IMO.

EDIT: Our Truth: Let's put it this way... I failed. Three times.

Those have been the three toughest so far. I found Painkiller to be quite easy, with the vocal part being "overtiered," IMO. The guitar part is the only thing holding back a voxtar FC.

And as for Girl's Not Grey, I actually DID Double-FC that, but I scored lower than I did on my -1 run, so it's not shown on the leaderboards. Still pretty difficult, though. As for what you said in your last paragraph, SG, I think it definitely works the other way around for me - I pretty consistently FC the Guitar parts, but I lose my pitch very quickly if I run into a really tricky part.

More discussion later, though!

[SilverSwift]

Definitely interesting lists, I was surprised by some of them (Our Truth? Eh?) because of unfamiliarity, but a lot of those make sense. Another one to add, if it's not classed as an 'elite' song is Master Exploder...talk about a bad song choice to get back into voxtaring.
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[SilverSwift]

Definitely interesting lists, I was surprised by some of them (Our Truth? Eh?) because of unfamiliarity, but a lot of those make sense. Another one to add, if it's not classed as an 'elite' song is Master Exploder...talk about a bad song choice to get back into voxtaring.
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[cdylan13]

[cdylan13]

[ES942]

Spoonman is very tough. I started working on it one afternoon, and I got to the point where I got up to the "come on, come on" phrases without missing. And then once you get to the ball-busting solo, you have to sing while you're playing. It's really hard.

There are tons of songs that are not hard by themselves on guitar, but once you pair them with vocals, it's crazy.

Girl's Not Grey, for example. If you don't know the vocals well enough, it's really crazy. Weird strumming all over the place.

Painkiller, for obvious reasons. I didn't fail this when I played it, but I hadn't really sung it on vocals before. There are odd places, like "This is the Painkiller" phrases where the pitch changes where it sounds like it shouldn't, and it's a mess. I can't imagine how many times I would choke after nailing the first solo.

I'm sure there's other DLC I'm missing, but that's what I've got for now

[ES942]

Spoonman is very tough. I started working on it one afternoon, and I got to the point where I got up to the "come on, come on" phrases without missing. And then once you get to the ball-busting solo, you have to sing while you're playing. It's really hard.

There are tons of songs that are not hard by themselves on guitar, but once you pair them with vocals, it's crazy.

Girl's Not Grey, for example. If you don't know the vocals well enough, it's really crazy. Weird strumming all over the place.

Painkiller, for obvious reasons. I didn't fail this when I played it, but I hadn't really sung it on vocals before. There are odd places, like "This is the Painkiller" phrases where the pitch changes where it sounds like it shouldn't, and it's a mess. I can't imagine how many times I would choke after nailing the first solo.

I'm sure there's other DLC I'm missing, but that's what I've got for now

[this1neguy]

[this1neguy]

[ES942]

I just got Supreme Girl tonight. It's not as tricky as it seems once you start manipulating the phrases and only singing what you really need to. Girl's Not Grey is much harder than this methinks

[ES942]

I just got Supreme Girl tonight. It's not as tricky as it seems once you start manipulating the phrases and only singing what you really need to. Girl's Not Grey is much harder than this methinks

[nillacocajola]

[nillacocajola]

[ES942]

Ok, I got Girl's Not Grey last night, but my score was about 5k under your 99/100 run. It's easier once you memorize the vocals. I also noticed your crazy-ass Round and Round double FC and I'm curious to see if you did the tambos, cause that's hard while you're playing that solo.

I was thinking about tough drum/vocals FCs, and I think that someone should go for Uncontrollable Urge. My mic stand broke, but hopefully I can get it fixed.

[ES942]

Ok, I got Girl's Not Grey last night, but my score was about 5k under your 99/100 run. It's easier once you memorize the vocals. I also noticed your crazy-ass Round and Round double FC and I'm curious to see if you did the tambos, cause that's hard while you're playing that solo.

I was thinking about tough drum/vocals FCs, and I think that someone should go for Uncontrollable Urge. My mic stand broke, but hopefully I can get it fixed.

[nillacocajola]

[nillacocajola]

[SilverSwift]

[SilverSwift]

[machchunk]

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