No Part: thoughts?

**HylianHero** · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 4673 Location: Santa Cruz, CA

This thread seems to be going in about thirty different directions at once. Can we please cut back on the quote abuse and focus on the OP and not if GH5 did it right or not or what the dynamics of a full plastic band should be?
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**goaliejack** · Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 391

i think there should be equality across all instruments instead of just vocals being left behind
EDIT: wow, i didnt know that one of the pearl jam songs didnt have drums
i still think that this is a GOOD thing, it means that harmonix can move into any genre of music, although they should try to like find a replacement for the missing part, an extra guitar part or something, like on the PJ song, add a harmony vocalist, or a rythym guitar, or something. chart cowbell on drums (LOL), and i would still get it as i suck teribly at drums, not a bad idea IMO but idk what other people think, as im obviosly not the only one playing this game lol
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**Capt.Howdy** · Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 657 Location: Richmond, VA

^ While it's possible there'll be no bass track on the White Stripes stuff, there's (almost) always like 2 guitar tracks in each White Stripes song. And Jack White usually does some effects to make one lower pitched... so I don't see why that couldn't be charted as bass.

I just keep seeing this idea of bass being a total impossibility for the White Stripes songs, but I think Harmonix can come up with something clever to combat their lack of a bassist.
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**benjt82** · Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 314 Location: Fargo, ND

It's HMX's game, they can do what they want with it. Instrumentals, acoustics, hell, even acapella for all that I care. If you, the customer, don't want to buy it because it excludes an instrument or vocals, don't buy it. And if enough people feel the same way, that certain track won't sell much, HMX will get the point (if they really care), and they'll quit doing that. But I've got a feeling that they wouldn't release a song if they weren't fairly positive that it would get a decent amount of purchases.

tl;dr Let them make the decisions about which songs they put in the game.
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**Icemage** · Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 3200

We're wandering really far afield from the discussion.

I think No Part songs are fine as far as inclusion - I just hate the way they're implemented in Rock Band.

I do think GH5 goes a little too far in the other direction (I can play an instrumental song on solo vocals and score 0 points... why?).

For quickplay of any sort, I have no idea why there are so many purists arguing that it takes away from the spirit of the game. It's just a game, you're not on a stage (usually). You're either in a room with friends, or you're playing online with other people you can't see.

With friends, I argue that it is more important to have fun and keep people entertained - and part of that includes not backing all the way out of the interface and kicking one instrument when one part either isn't playable - OR when no one wants to play a particular instrument at the moment.

Online, it's just as important.

Now, in Tour/Career mode, I absolutely agree keeping the sanctity of the 4 part band makes a lot of sense, as you're trying for a measure of verisimilitude. Double enforce this by only registering scores from a full 4 member band with G/B/D/V. These things make sense, and I don't think anyone would argue against it.

Otherwise, why do you care how other people are playing the game? If you want to play quickplay in a traditional setup, nothing is stopping you, even if you have the option to deviate. If you're a real guitarist and walk into a room and find another guitarist there, are you suddenly going to stop and say "oh, wait, one of us needs to learn how to play bass guitar... and we need to scare up a vocalist and a drummer too!" before you sit down across from each other and jam out some music? No? Then why would you enforce such rules on plastic musicians that you wouldn't apply to real ones?
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**MisterMixelpix** · Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 2882

- I see no problem with songs having limited parts.

- Packs and on-disc songs should always be 4-man so no instrument is short-changed.

- The game should let bands pick songs in setlists that don't have all parts. it should just "discard" the excluded instrument highway for that one song.

Mixelpix has spoken. You can now close the thread.
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**BizCasFri** · Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Posts: 1833 Location: Winnipeg, MB

As the one guy who was furious over the inclusion of YYZ, the first ever no vocal part song, I am strongly against this.

Why? Because it has been my view from the beginning that "No Part" songs should not be in the game, because in my opinion, it gets away from the core value of this great game, which is 4 player, full band play.

I mean, a part of me wants to just scream out "FUCKING FINALLY", but on the other hand, it goes against what I feel makes this game so great, and is ultimately a step backwards.
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